Posted on 04/16/2005 7:51:04 PM PDT by jla
"We know nothing really about her, but by God, Condi is our gal!" --- Anonymous Freeper
I've repeatedly asked here at FR for anyone to tell me *CONDI'S* stand on a number of issues ranging from economics to school prayer.
I have yet to receive one reply to my queries on where Miss Rice stands on a number of issues.
So can someone please tell me, especially you, Section 9, why I should be excited about a possible Condi Rice presidency run?
FYI: Miss R. in my opinion will prove to be an excellent Sec of State. But POTUS? Sorry, unlike a lot of Freepers my vote requires more than a cute smile or even worse, a fanatical appreciation of the Condi stare.
No wonder so many here can't seem to get behind Tom DeLay.
"...viable third party candidate..." LoL such a thought is already dismissed.
What an absurd statement.
Prepare for a Clinton presidency in '08.
ONly if both major candidates resign the night before the election or decide to marry each other.
Given the level of political sophistication you can bet a Third/Fourth/Fifth party will be funded by the RATlovers. They know how easy it is to distract the whackjobs from reality.
It says a lot that you cannot comprehend her simple statement.
Agree. What is scary is that I can't come up with three names to run for the GOP that would have a chance.
Haley Barbour
George Allen
Rudy Guiliani
I think any of them could win.
My argument is not about Condi per se. All I'm saying is that the first black nominee for POTUS from a major party will inspire millions of blacks to vote for the first time in their lives, regardless of which party the nominee represents. The same way that Tiger Woods inspired millions of blacks to watch golf on TV for the first time in their lives.
Sure, if Condi wins the nomination, the black libs will be out in force calling her every name in the book. It will cause a huge rift within the black community. But the idea of a potential black President will be too much for many blacks to resist.
20 years ago, no black filmmaker would have dared to use a line like "f**k Jesse Jackson" (from "Barbershop"). No black writer would have dared to write a hit piece on Jackson either. Stanley Crouch and Thomas Sowell were lone voices of black conservatism. Now they are joined by many others. The black conservative movement is growing, slowly but surely. Have a little faith.
All I am saying is that blacks will vote for the Dem party regardless of whether the GOP nominates a black person or not. Almost one out of every three Dem voters is a minority (Black and Hispanic primarily. The GOP has no credibility within the black community, hence the 90+% of black voters go Dem nationally. The GOP is seen as a racist party, which is reinforced now by a GOP South. I don't know how you can penetrate the current group think among blacks and whether it is worth the effort to try. I would put more effort into the fastest growing and largest minority, albeit diverse--Hispanics.
Sure, if Condi wins the nomination, the black libs will be out in force calling her every name in the book. It will cause a huge rift within the black community. But the idea of a potential black President will be too much for many blacks to resist.
There is no factual basis for your conclusion. It is wishful thinking on your part. There is no group in America that votes in lockstep more than blacks. There is a cultural divide, e.g., the Simpson verdict, which will be hard to bridge. The GOP needs just a small percentage increase of the black vote to destroy the Dems as a viable national party.
Have a little faith.
It is not a matter of faith but political reality. The so called national black leadership have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Jesse Jackson, Cornell West, Farrakhan, Tavis Smiley, etc. are much more connected to the black community than Crouch or Sowell every will be. Blacks as victims coupled with poor schools will continue to keep them on the Dem plantation for the foreseeable future.
"There is no factual basis for your conclusion."
Exactly my point. There's never been a black nominee for POTUS from a major party. Even the Dems have never come close to nominating a black. When it finally happens, it'll be an historic event for the black community. And if the nominee is a Republican, it will indeed, shatter the current group think among blacks. You can call a black Republican a "token" if they're just a Congressman, a Mayor, even a Senator or Governor. But if the so-called "racist" party nominates a black for top dog, it'll cause plenty of political soul searching within the black community.
"Jesse Jackson, Cornell West, Farrakhan, Tavis Smiley, etc. are much more connected to the black community than Crouch or Sowell every will be."
I'll bet that Bill Cosby is still a loyal Democrat. And if he's now being portrayed as some sort of traitor because of comments that he's made over the past few years, that's just more evidence that the Jesse Jacksons are losing their relevance and the Stanley Crouchs are gaining relevance. The popularity of a movie like "Barbershop" is proof of this. More and more blacks are getting sick of ebonics, gangsta rap, and white left wingers defending the right of young blacks to address each other as "nigga'". They don't all have to become Republicans overnight, they just have to start questioning the rhetoric that's been shoved down their throats for the past 35 years. Many of them are already doing just that.
She's a winner IMHO!
The popularity of a movie like "Barbershop" is proof of this. More and more blacks are getting sick of ebonics, gangsta rap, and white left wingers defending the right of young blacks to address each other as "nigga'".
I don't know where you are getting your facts from, but a Hollywood movie is not a reliable source. Even if I were to buy your unsubstantiated assertion (I don't) that "blacks are getting sick of gangsta rap," the popular culture has embraced rap music and the dress. It is mainstream and selling bigtime.
Blacks have always set pop culture trends going back to the 1920's. Every white kid, Asian kid, Hispanic, European, etc, will copy the way blacks dress, speak, their music, etc.
The difference between the era of jazz, blues and even classic soul music and the current era of rap is that blacks used to take pride in their neighborhoods and aspired for something better. These days, young blacks have advantages and opportunities that their parents and grandparents didn't have, and instead of taking advantage of it, they walk around in $200 sneakers, take pride in being illiterate, and worship mafia culture.
Many blacks are rightfully concerned about the future of the black community. So regardless of how many white kids from the suburbs copy black style, there is a huge crisis in black America. Bill Cosby, black ministers, black conservative writers, etc, are speaking out and many are starting to listen.
Meanwhile, there is also an emerging class of black yuppies who are getting out of the ghettos, getting good jobs and grooming their children for a better life. They may be criticized for "acting white", but in the end, they will become the example that other blacks will try to follow. Condi Rice is a perfect example of someone who, on one hand, is a role model to ambitious blacks, and on the other hand, is intimidating to the ghetto culture that glorifies eternal victimhood. I'd love to see her run, just to see what the reaction would be from blacks as a whole.
And I still say the popularity of a movie like "Barbershop" is a significant sign of progress.
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