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U.S. pushing Japan to boost military role
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apasia_story.asp?category=1104&slug=Japan%20US%20Military%20Alliance ^

Posted on 04/15/2005 8:23:47 PM PDT by real_dd2

U.S. pushing Japan to boost military role

By ERIC TALMADGE ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

YOKOTA AIR BASE, Japan -- In the most sweeping re-examination of the U.S.-Japan security alliance in years, Japan and the United States are negotiating a military realignment that could move some or all of the nearly 20,000 Marines off the crowded island of Okinawa, close underused bases and meld an Army command in Washington state with a camp just south of Tokyo.

But something even more fundamental may be at stake.

With its own military spread thin, Washington appears to be trying to use the talks to nudge Japan out from under the U.S. security blanket and make Tokyo a much more active player in global strategic operations.

"The United States wants Japan to assume a role very much like the one it has vis-a-vis the British," said Tetsuo Maeda, professor of arms reduction and security at Tokyo International University. "The Self-Defense Forces would be regularly deployed overseas for military operations if this kind of realignment were realized."

It would not be an easy transition if the realignment is approved.

America's force of 50,000-plus troops in Japan dates back decades and has long been hailed by both sides as the key to stability in the Asian-Pacific region and a model of cooperation. In exchange for the security the U.S. troops provide, Japan pays a whopping $5 billion, an arrangement unparalleled anywhere else in the world.

But amid increasing calls in Japan for the U.S. to streamline its presence, and Washington's shifting focus from maintaining bases abroad to fine-tuning its deployments to respond quickly to specific flare-ups, topics are on the table that were long seen as virtually taboo.

Officially, there has been little comment.


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1 posted on 04/15/2005 8:23:47 PM PDT by real_dd2
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To: real_dd2

TRANSLATION: Might need to raise the Rising Sun over Korea and China again.


2 posted on 04/15/2005 8:27:57 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: randog

Japan can seriously help rein-in China. China has the population, but Japan has the technology. The JSDF is, currently, small but quite capable. The have some top-notch warships and aircraft and their ground forces have some nifty toys.


3 posted on 04/15/2005 8:30:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: randog

We can do all the "protecting" we need to do for SK from Guam.


4 posted on 04/15/2005 8:32:43 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: randog

Not to mention that given enough time, they would re-militarize even against our wishes. Best to do it now so we remain good allies.


5 posted on 04/15/2005 8:35:28 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: real_dd2
This is pretty funny!

I mean, most of the Japanese Government and most Japanese people themselves are finally beginning to understand the real threat that the PRC poses. But to overcome residual domestic opposition, they have to cast themselves in the light of being MADE to re-arm, by outside, foreign forces....

It's called "gai-atsu". They have an EXTREMELY long history of this kind of positioning.

YAWN...

6 posted on 04/15/2005 8:38:58 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: SteveMcKing

japan could be a world power militarily within a few years, their tecnology and manufacturing base is outstanding. they are the natural counter balance in the region.


7 posted on 04/15/2005 8:41:18 PM PDT by veryconernedamerican
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To: veryconernedamerican

Who should publish Japanese text books ?


8 posted on 04/15/2005 9:07:36 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Great Danes !)
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As I stated earlier, their armed forces have some nifty toys...
9 posted on 04/15/2005 9:12:16 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: Army Air Corps

That's a Kongo Class. It's a bigger version of the Arliegh Burke. They have at least 2 more in the works possibly a 3rd. One thing they did that was very clever, was they put VLS tubes on non-Aegis ships that work with with the Kongo. The missiles in the non-Aegis ships are aimed and controlled by the Aegis ship. The smart part is that they did not have to build 2+ Aegis class ships to get the firepower of 2 Aegis class ships, saving major $$s.


10 posted on 04/15/2005 9:18:25 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77

What do you expect from the same folks who made Walkman a hosehold word?

Ships like the Hatsuyuki are also laid-out nicely. Their air and ground forces have some good equipment.


11 posted on 04/15/2005 9:23:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: ProudVet77

Kongos are built to commercial standards to save money and wouldn't take the damage a Burke would.

However the reality is that pretty much any hit on a modern destroyer will be a "mission kill" anyway.....


12 posted on 04/15/2005 9:24:50 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Exactly. You take a hit from a sunburn it's pretty much over. As we move to smaller crews (like on the LCS) I hope we do the same.


13 posted on 04/15/2005 9:42:29 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: Army Air Corps

It can be hard to find out details about the Japanese Navy, have you seen this link?
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/asiapac/japan.htm


14 posted on 04/15/2005 9:51:05 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77

Sunburns are pretty deadly, but there are counters. Sunburn stops its weaving about three miles out, so CIWS could possibly still reacquire and shoot it down. And there's the Australian-made NULKA system...


15 posted on 04/15/2005 9:57:36 PM PDT by Alien Gunfighter (Socialist liberals never imagine themselves as peasants under their 'perfect' socialist regime)
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To: ProudVet77

I definately think they must have a capable, deployable, interoperable military, if they want to be on the UN Security Council. The last thing that it needs is a pacifist country.


16 posted on 04/15/2005 9:58:07 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: real_dd2

I don't know...the current generation of Japanese men are kinda wussie...


17 posted on 04/15/2005 10:00:51 PM PDT by etcetera (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom, unless he be vigilant in its preservation.)
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To: ProudVet77

Thanks!

I also go here: http://www.jda.go.jp/JMSDF/index_e.html

The main site (in Japanese) is more aesthetically pleasing, but this provides some basics. Their pages for the JASDF and JGSDF actually prvide more data and have some nice photo galleries.


18 posted on 04/15/2005 10:07:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: Army Air Corps
Can you point me to an English version? Nothing on that page seemed intelligible to me.
19 posted on 04/15/2005 10:33:05 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77

That should have been the URL for the english version. If not, there should be a button marked "English."


20 posted on 04/15/2005 10:35:51 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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