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To: GoLightly
One in most states cannot refuse to rents to gays period. Churches don't file licenses, couples do. If the Church does not recognize the marriage, they won't sign the certificate. The Catholic Church officials will continue to sign certificates with respect to marriages over which they recognize and officiate, just as now. In any event, getting the certificate signed can be done just by showing up at the courthouse.

I regret that you conflate the bedroom thing with the intimacy, commitment and the public square recognition thing. Most folks don't, no matter where they come down.

724 posted on 04/24/2005 7:47:39 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: Torie
One in most states cannot refuse to rents to gays period.

Specially protected class & all that. Yes, I know. I thought you said you were against those.

Churches don't file licenses, couples do.

You're right. I'm glad you pointed that out, since I do not mean to leave my "i's" un-dotted, nor my "t's" uncrossed.

If the Church does not recognize the marriage, they won't sign the certificate.

They will certainly recognize the marriages they perform, but they might stop recognizing that the state has anything to do with them. In order to prevent the state from leading their flock astray, they might refuse to assist the state in furthering an abomination.

The Catholic Church officials will continue to sign certificates with respect to marriages over which they recognize and officiate, just as now. That is an assumption. Abortion supporting politicians assumed that the Church would never take, state a formal position about their public actions.

In any event, getting the certificate signed can be done just by showing up at the courthouse.

Yes, I suppose it can. I regret that you conflate the bedroom thing with the intimacy, commitment and the public square recognition thing. Most folks don't, no matter where they come down.

I can be troublesome that way. Anytime too many people seem to agree with me about anything, I begin to wonder where I might be wrong.

725 posted on 04/24/2005 8:54:33 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Torie
I regret that you conflate the bedroom thing with the intimacy, commitment and the public square recognition thing. Most folks don't, no matter where they come down.

I think I should explain where my unique world view on this comes from. It is the same reason I responded to you in the way I did about Lawrence, by refusing to take a personal position on it.

Over 20 years ago I was discriminated against in a hiring because of my race. I was hired & un-hired in the matter of a few hours. I guess the employer was up against a lawsuit for past discriminatory behavior & they figured that the job they had informed me I was hired for would be a good place to try to undo some of the harm from their past behavior. A test we all took showed me as the best candidate for the job, but I was the wrong color.

It was a powerful life lesson. Life is not fair. I had no case for the racial discrimination that had cost me that job. Lesson two, it is not the place of the law or the government to make lesson one untrue. Sometimes the government can be the creator or contributor to making sure I learn life lesson one.

I take the government at it's word & in response, I will push it to it's unnatural limits. It is around the edges where we can discover some of the unintended consequences of a government action.

Who would have ever imagined the unintended consequences of controlling the southern border in the way our government went about doing it? If you don't know what I'm talking about, look into what was behind making marijuana illegal.

728 posted on 04/25/2005 11:02:31 AM PDT by GoLightly
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