[Tolik]

The previous posts:

Michael Bérubé v. Horowitz II

What Is An Anti-American Leftist? [Prof. Robert Jensen debates David Horowitz]

Bérubé vs. Horowitz: Is the Left in Bed With Terrorists?

[Tolik]

Interesting!

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[ModelBreaker]

What is the definition of “left” that makes Bill Clinton a leftist? If it’s something like “believes in the positive power of government to intervene in society,” not only is that uselessly general, it is a definition that if honestly applied would make George W. Bush a “moderate leftist” as well.

Well, I think this accurately charactizes W and Bill. Neither are conservatives.

[federal]

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[ModelBreaker]

What is the definition of “left” that makes Bill Clinton a leftist? If it’s something like “believes in the positive power of government to intervene in society,” not only is that uselessly general, it is a definition that if honestly applied would make George W. Bush a “moderate leftist” as well.

Well, I think this accurately charactizes W and Bill. Neither are conservatives.

[AmericanChef]

-...you have to define what you regard as a meaningful connection, stick to that definition, and provide evidence of it.-

Doesn't stop the Bush=Hitler crowd any.

[Yardstick]

Well, I see Horowitz has chopped another leftist intellectual into tiny pieces. This whole series of debates has been excellent.

[hosepipe]

No doubt in my mind Burke is not even embarrassed..</p>

[Stultis]

LOL! Could not be more indicative of the leftist mindset.

For Burke linkages must be based on definition. (And not only that but on a single comprehensive definition, which in covering all cases could be nothing but the woolliest abstraction.) Facts, on the other hand (e.g. that two individuals belong to the same organization, or that two organizations belong to the same coalition, or that two organizations receive significant funding from the same foundation, etc) are disallowed as a sufficient basis for linkage.

[BufordP]

D.C. Chapter ping

[freedumb2003]

B & B

Very interesting -- thank you

[maica]

In this argument Burke seems to be objecting to the use of categories like “left” and “right” altogether, ...

Horowitz takes down another "intellectual."
I am surprised that any are willing to debate him

People of the "left" like to give names to their opposition, but do not like to accept labels for their own positions or behaviors. They use names for attack, and so "feel" that they are being attacked simply by being given a name.

They like to be seen (and they probably see themselves) as "centrist" or "mainstream." I am waiting for the interviewer to ask a person who thinks he is in the mainstream to identify a few people who the interviewee sees as being to the left of himself. The answers would be very instructive. I am sure that a leftist "centrist" could rattle off names of those he sees to his right, but would struggle in recognizing people to his own left.