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Bush: No passports at borders
Fox.com ^ | 4/15 | Fox News

Posted on 04/15/2005 6:49:37 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility

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To: Marine Inspector

Thanks for the info. I didn't know that...... Why don't I feel better ?? : )


161 posted on 04/15/2005 9:11:27 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: MEGoody

With the right minimal up front investment long term border security could be fairly inexpensive. Laser perimeter systems, unmanned drones and a a resonable number of small "squads" for enforcement during an illegal crossing is a good start. Requiring all entries to occur at established points with an internationally recognized document like a passport is also a good idea. Software can be written to track entry, exit, duration and planned visiting destination for internal enforcement.

None of this stuff is rocket science, just common sense. Funding can come from new Passports, auctioning of confiscated drug runner equipment and fines levied against businesses who hire illegals.


162 posted on 04/15/2005 9:26:51 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Which is why this poster who started this thread, and took the story out of context, then added thier own spin on it, got called that.

The poster posted exactly what FoxNews said, and then posted a link directly to the story. If it was the context of what he said, then by all means why not just address that concern before the witless namecalling? At least he went to the effort of posting it as per the rules here on FR. Unless you know for sure, I suggest you refrain from throwing around the Troll designation, to any and everyone with whom you disagree.

So you are able to get all that out of Bush asking for a review of passports being used to re-enter your own country?

Not at all. But certainly his highly visible statement about a review of the passport issue signals what that review is pretty likely to contain. And it will likely fit in with all of the rest of his poor handling of the immigration and border control issues. They are all tied together, and even if you are pleased with his efforts, most Americans are not, and a large number of Freepers are not.

163 posted on 04/15/2005 9:30:30 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: sheana
A driver's license is sufficient.

Not when some jurisdictions are willing to issue them to illegals!

164 posted on 04/15/2005 9:30:57 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Personal Responsibility

My husband and I have been carrying our passports every time we cross the border since 9/11. It sure makes things easy, fewer questions no problems.


165 posted on 04/15/2005 9:31:42 AM PDT by Eva
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To: sheana
Americans should NOT have to have a passport to enter their own county. Everyone else should. How simple is that? Asking Americans for a passport to reenter their country is tantamount to....."papers please".

You obviously have not traveled very much. How do you propose Americans identify themselves on their return? Americans must use their passports on return from Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Canada and Mexico are exceptions.

166 posted on 04/15/2005 9:38:14 AM PDT by kabar
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To: RockyMtnMan
Anyone who is afraid to identify themselves to border authority automatically makes their intentions suspect.

LOL, you are correct. I see it everyday.

167 posted on 04/15/2005 9:50:09 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: doc30

Once we require the passport to reenter, Canada and Mexico will require it to get into their countries.


168 posted on 04/15/2005 9:51:47 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: MACVSOG68
you are being obtuse intentionally.

You say

The poster posted exactly what FoxNews said, and then posted a link directly to the story. If it was the context of what he said, then by all means why not just address that concern before the witless namecalling? At least he went to the effort of posting it as per the rules here on FR. Unless you know for sure, I suggest you refrain from throwing around the Troll designation, to any and everyone with whom you disagree.
ignoring twice that I referred to he/she taking it out of context and adding their own remarks where the poster stated
I am stunned by this comment. Whats it going to take to get some border security here? This is insane! Now we should not ask for passports because it might inconvienience people and take some time? This is nuts!
and I am done playing with idiots.
169 posted on 04/15/2005 10:10:42 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
you are being obtuse intentionally.

Perhaps, but it actually derives from expecting a little responsible Freeper posting.

and I am done playing with idiots.

Never play with yourself in front of the computer. Big brother might just be watching.... Cheers

170 posted on 04/15/2005 10:36:22 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: sam_paine
One hole in the border ANYWHERE makes it useless. So a dollar spent on border "security" is one less dollar spent on disarming Qaddaffi or dropping a JDAM on Zarqawi.

Many areas of the border are uncrossable due to the heat and desert. We had control of the borders before political correctness corrupted our society and can have control again. It is not really a matter of cost but efficiency. However saying we should just leave the borders wide open is ridiculous!

171 posted on 04/15/2005 12:20:00 PM PDT by Evolution
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To: Evolution
However saying we should just leave the borders wide open is ridiculous!

Mr. Strawman, justify your complaint. Where did I say to leave the border wide open?

172 posted on 04/15/2005 12:25:23 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Where did I say to leave the border wide open? Well looking at your comment you said One hole in the border ANYWHERE makes it useless. So a dollar spent on border "security" is one less dollar spent on disarming Qaddaffi or dropping a JDAM on Zarqawi.

That statement seems to assert that no money should be spent on border security for it will be a waste of money.

173 posted on 04/15/2005 12:44:33 PM PDT by Evolution
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To: Personal Responsibility

"I am stunned by this comment. "

I'm not. This goes beyond obtuseness and obstinacy on Bush's part. His actions are beyond incredible here.


174 posted on 04/15/2005 12:57:01 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Evolution
That statement seems to assert that no money should be spent on border security for it will be a waste of money.

You need to mind your P's and Q's!

That statement DOES NOT assert that.

My post asserts that even if you locked the border up 100% on 9/10/2001 and shut down all immigration and import/export activity (and all commerce)....then bin laden still could've easily pulled off 9/11 with the exact same folks.

Armchair whiners will not confront the reality that there must be a cost benefit for funding the border security. There's obviously a large continuum between just leaving the border as is and "no money" at all for border security....don't be ridiculous.

But if you can inhibit terrorism by attacking its source, then that should be priority #1, not by buying MORE donut eating border patrols.

175 posted on 04/15/2005 12:58:33 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Personal Responsibility

"A spokesman at the Mexican Embassy had no immediate comment."

They don't need passports. Where they cross there are no border guards.


176 posted on 04/15/2005 1:00:02 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
WASHINGTON — Plans requiring passports from people entering the United States don't pass muster with President Bush

Wasn't it Bush that said, 'If you aren't with us then your are against us'?

If youa aren't part of the solution, THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

177 posted on 04/15/2005 1:04:06 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: Pondman88
Requiring a passport would be A HUGE F-NG PAIN IN THE ASS!!!!!

What's so hard about showing your passport at the border? You have to show your drivers license when pulled over by the police. Is that a big pain in your a**, too? You can get the passport at the same place that you need to go to renew your driver's license. Do you drive? Maybe you shouldn't, if its such a bother to have to go to the secretary of states office. Sheesh!

178 posted on 04/15/2005 1:10:41 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: trisham
Jeb has lost his appeal, imho.

Same here. He would be just as lax on the border.

179 posted on 04/15/2005 1:13:51 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: MACVSOG68
I wonder if Tom Tancredo is the only elected official in the country who can see the dangers on our borders?

Maybe this would be a good time to start getting Tancredo's name more recognition. Start plastering his name all over the place. Get him more visible. That way people will already be familiar with who he his when it comes time to start thinking about the next President.

180 posted on 04/15/2005 1:19:21 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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