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To: MEGoody
This is a common question. Christ could not have needed redemption, for then he could not be the redeemer. Mary needed redemption. She was redeemed at conception, such that she was a pure (untainted by sin) vessel for Christ, and yet nevertheless in need of the salvation wrought by Christ. Both of those doctrines have to be preserved. There is no need for Mary's parents to be immaculately conceived, or Mary to be born of a virgin, because Mary did not need to receive sinless flesh at her conception in order to be Christ-bearer; she needed to be made sinless at no point later than her conception in order to be the Christ-bearer. She came into existence and was sanctified at the very same moment, such that she was never stained by stain (and thus could be a pure vessel for Christ) *and* yet also still needed the grace of Christ. Christ, however, never needed sanctification, and so could not receive sinful flesh at his conception. If Christ had needed sanctification (even at the moment of his conception), he could not have been the Savior. The Savior himself cannot be in need of salvation.

-A8

718 posted on 04/15/2005 11:10:39 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

How anyone could think that an innocent newborn infant is born with sin is beyond me. No wonder an abortion is of no great importance to some people. If you can believe a baby is vile and born with ugly sin already in control of it, then why NOT abort it?


720 posted on 04/15/2005 11:16:52 AM PDT by OkieAcres
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To: adiaireton8
... She was redeemed at conception...

How?

By following the LAW

or by trusting in Christ?

760 posted on 04/15/2005 2:21:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: adiaireton8
"Christ could not have needed redemption"

Indeed, and Jesus did not sin. You seem to imply that a child has sinned just by being born. Can you show scripture for that, please?

1,074 posted on 04/18/2005 9:45:34 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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