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To: safisoft

Did you even bother to read where I said we know full well that the Old Testament is Jewish? It follows that it would have been written in Hebrew orginally. Show me a Catholic who denies that.


716 posted on 04/15/2005 11:04:30 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (Canonize Pope John Paul the Great as patron Saint of the unborn.)
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative
Did you even bother to read where I said we know full well that the Old Testament is Jewish?

The line of debate is not drawn upon whether it is "Jewish" or not - it is whether we owe the Roman church the credit for "giving it to us." That is where the debate started on this thread regarding the subject of the Scriptures. The Roman "church" did not give us the Bible, least of which the Hebrew Scriptures. Ironically, the Roman church included books from the Septuagint (the LXX was translated from Hebrew to Greek circa 270 BCE) in their Bibles. Protestants did not, and only have the 39 books of the TaNaKh (the "Old Testament" to y'all). So, on the basis of the LXX, the Roman "church" actually have a book 2/3rds if which is "canonized" by rabbis. Actually, to be fair, even though the Roman "church" has this issue with "canonizing" and want everyone to bow to them and thank them for the Bible - the ancient rabbis do not. They believed what is "canon" is what is received - not what a council says.

When Jerome was still in diapers, there was a group of Jewish scribes called the Ben Asher family. Without their traditions of vowel pointings, none of us could translate the Hebrew into a language used today. We all owe the Ben Asher and Ben Naftali familes for the Hebrew used in our Bibles. Every Bible in use today, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Judaic uses the Ben Asher text of the "Old Testament".

Paul understood the relationship between Israel and the Scriptures - and Roman Catholics who deny it, only sound shrill. The issue always comes up when someone has a problem with a Catholic tradition. When someone quotes Scripture, the Roman Catholic then has a tendancy to try to destroy the argument by saying that the Scriptures themselves come from Rome. They did not. And one would think that if they did, they would be a greater part of Roman Catholicism. They aren't. The scholars of Scripture for the most part do not attend Catholic seminaries. They are in Hebrew Yeshivas and some Protestant seminaries and institutions.

What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of G-d.

Romans 3:1-2 Roman isn't mentioned as who was entrusted with the Scriptures.
722 posted on 04/15/2005 11:33:13 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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