[safisoft]

Did you even bother to read where I said we know full well that the Old Testament is Jewish?

The line of debate is not drawn upon whether it is "Jewish" or not - it is whether we owe the Roman church the credit for "giving it to us." That is where the debate started on this thread regarding the subject of the Scriptures. The Roman "church" did not give us the Bible, least of which the Hebrew Scriptures. Ironically, the Roman church included books from the Septuagint (the LXX was translated from Hebrew to Greek circa 270 BCE) in their Bibles. Protestants did not, and only have the 39 books of the TaNaKh (the "Old Testament" to y'all). So, on the basis of the LXX, the Roman "church" actually have a book 2/3rds if which is "canonized" by rabbis. Actually, to be fair, even though the Roman "church" has this issue with "canonizing" and want everyone to bow to them and thank them for the Bible - the ancient rabbis do not. They believed what is "canon" is what is received - not what a council says.

When Jerome was still in diapers, there was a group of Jewish scribes called the Ben Asher family. Without their traditions of vowel pointings, none of us could translate the Hebrew into a language used today. We all owe the Ben Asher and Ben Naftali familes for the Hebrew used in our Bibles. Every Bible in use today, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Judaic uses the Ben Asher text of the "Old Testament".

Paul understood the relationship between Israel and the Scriptures - and Roman Catholics who deny it, only sound shrill. The issue always comes up when someone has a problem with a Catholic tradition. When someone quotes Scripture, the Roman Catholic then has a tendancy to try to destroy the argument by saying that the Scriptures themselves come from Rome. They did not. And one would think that if they did, they would be a greater part of Roman Catholicism. They aren't. The scholars of Scripture for the most part do not attend Catholic seminaries. They are in Hebrew Yeshivas and some Protestant seminaries and institutions.

What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of G-d.

Romans 3:1-2 Roman isn't mentioned as who was entrusted with the Scriptures.

[Romish_Papist]

It seems to me the point in this whole little mess is that you do not think the Council solidified the list of which Books in the present Bible. I never said who wrote them, and I agree with you that they are the inspired Word of God. All I was saying was that the Bible as we know it today, was put together, in it's present form, and codified by the Council. Where is the arguement?

You, on the other hand seem to be filled with so much disgust and hatred for the Catholic Church and anything associated with it (and disproportionately with St. Jerome) that if I, or anyone here said the Pope wears a nice cassock made by the Papal tailor, you'd likely rail about how it was the sheep that gave them the wool that matters and not anything the Papal tailor did.

As an aside, you seem, as you said, to "want everyone to bow to them and thank them" meaning the Ben Asher and Ben Naftali families for the Hebrew used in our Bibles. Agreed. I have no problem with that. But to say the prominent codified list of Books included was not set down by the Council is simply foolish.

You go on to say: "When someone quotes Scripture, the Roman Catholic then has a tendancy to try to destroy the argument by saying that the Scriptures themselves come from Rome."

I have never met a Catholic who thinks the Scripture was written in Rome. Nice try though.

"They did not. And one would think that if they did, they would be a greater part of Roman Catholicism. They aren't."

The heck they aren't. The Mass is the Scipture.

"The scholars of Scripture for the most part do not attend Catholic seminaries. They are in Hebrew Yeshivas and some Protestant seminaries and institutions."

Exactly which scholars are you talking about? Are you implying there are no Catholic scholars of Scripture? No institutions dedicated to their study in Rome or run by the Roman Catholic Church? Wow. Just... wow.