Posted on 04/13/2005 6:50:55 PM PDT by tahiti
Your choice...
Not me...I fought like the devil Himself over this. My (RINO) State Senator probably has a Wanted poster of me on his desk, and I am CERTAIN he hates my guts with every fiber of his being.
As for compliance, let me tell you that Hell would freeze over before ANYBODY told me I couldn't smoke in my own home, no matter who's "working" there. Unfortunately, most businesses have now become willing partners in this nonsense, and no longer fight. I don't own these places, so I obey their rules when I must. My husband and I haven't been out to a bar or restaurant in almost two years now, and have no intention of spending our money where we are not accommodated.
There is ONE place I know of (not a bar or restaurant) that happily flaunts the smoking laws. They have a sign on their front door that says, "Smoking Is Permitted Here. DO NOT ENTER If You Intend To Complain."
They get a LOT of my business.
Regards,
Including me. ;)
Woooooooooooo Hoooooooooooo ! :-)
Thanks for the ping! :-)
That's true, it IS "illegal" to have an ashtray in your office, in N.Y.C. and people HAVE been fined for have a clean, empty ashtray in theirs.
However, you as a private citizen, are not legally responsible for what may apply to a business.
There is a distinction here and it must be used.
However, you as a private citizen, are not legally responsible for what may apply to a business.
There is a distinction here and it must be used.
You might also ask if they would be subjected to a fine if you lit up on the premises, as well.
At a minimum, I would personally be prepared to pay the owner's fine if one would be levied, and I still felt the need to light up there. But, honestly, if they would be fined for my smoking, I think I would just wait. :)
WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT A NEW "REVOLUTION" HERE.
I'm getting more than a wee bit sick of all of the "nanny laws", myself. :-(
Thanks for enlightening me. Sorry if I offended anyone, just got carried away.
Getting all fires up happens, but better that I tell you, than you get yourself suspended or banned, right off the bat.
Yes, I know...a (fairly) local bar just won a court case involving this.
They've got their signs posted, they don't have any EVIL ashtrays, their patrons smoke, and the bars DO NOT have to ask them to leave.
But I still don't go out much anymore. I can shake up a mighty fine martini right in the comfort of my own home. I do feel sorry for the young singles out there, though...tough to have a good time when Nanny's watching.
Regards,
***Sigh***
I hear you, buddy.
Regards,
The whole thing is going worldwide, nothing like a Central American cantina though, only thing they worry about is can you afford the next cervesa.
(I've even made reservations at TWO restaurants so I could walk out of one)
Nam Vet
March 4, 2005
Howdy,
Please note that several cities and towns in Ohio are about to make a mistake and put smoking bans on their books.
Could you please put together a State law now that smoking bans are not allowed?
This would save a lot of wasted court money in the future.
You see, smoking bans are not legal. NY and FL judges have already agreed that bans are not enforceable. (Links at http://www.smokersclubinc.com ) This makes all smoking bans illegal unless your State or town wants to train you, supply liability insurance, sign you on as police AND make it a law that anyone they want must be forced into police duty. Your 16-year-old son washing dishes in a restaurant would have to go to the police academy because he may have to uphold the smoking ban law. Remove these un-enforceable laws from your books NOW to avoid lawsuits. Every worker has the right to sue you when hurt; your ban opens you up for liability. There are already lawsuits started, check the newsletter and the Ban Damage and Ban Loss pages.
Granville, Newark, and Heath have adopted the Columbus regulations, which as written, if passed, illegally enslave every business owner as police for them. You can stop them all now before they become law, or then you would have to go back and deal with them later. Forces in Columbus, Cincinnati and other places are already preparing to fight in court. Why go through all of this for nothing? Why allow your State to be ripped apart at the seams over something that is not enforceable, and goes against the grain of private business ownership?
When people in a town are descended upon by the Anti-smokers whose only paid job is to spread their lies… most people don't take the time to research the situation, and tend to believe what they hear from people who appear smarter then them. It's only natural and I don't blame them. But by pointing out that you are not allowed to enslave citizens as your army, this situation can and will be rectified.
Thank you for helping to keep America free and uphold the memory of those wonderful brave Americans who fought and died to keep our freedom and way of life in tact for future generations. Any business owner who wants to make their own rules on their own property will. There will be enough; smoking, non-smoking, and accommodation of both in businesses, for the intelligent public to decide where they want to spend their money. Let freedom of choice dictate private business and private property. It is the American way.
Yours,
Samantha Phillipe
President
The Smoker's Club, Inc.
info@smokersclub.com
(This letter is going online at http://www.smokersclubinc.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1167 just in case your spam protector does not allow mail from dotcom email addresses. I will ask if readers could also send you a copy of this from their computers to be sure that you see it. I'll remove this post note when a response from you, or your legal representatives is posted. Thanks.)
Governor Bob Taft
http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp
Attorney General Jim Petro
http://www.ag.state.oh.us/contact/inquiry.asp
Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell
guide@sos.state.oh.us
Senator Mike DeWine
http://dewine.senate.gov/request_form.htm
Senator George Voinovich
http://voinovich.senate.gov/contact/index.htm
Ohio Judicial Conference. Kenneth A. Rohrs, Executive Director
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(Contact your Senator)\Email Senator Amstutz
Email Senator Fingerhut (Has already responded)
Email Senator Zurz
Call Senator Dann at 614-466-7182
Contact your Ohio town or city.
State and Local Government on the Net:
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Phone numbers for Ohio Department of Development:
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How to write a snail mail letter to a politician:
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Great post! Worth a bookmark!
Sounds like it! I have a feeling we will all be using this post in the future, I just wish I could use it in the past.
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