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Canada Court Hears Sikh Dagger Case
Associated Press ^ | April 11, 2005 | BETH DUFF-BROWN

Posted on 04/13/2005 10:57:54 AM PDT by tomball

OTTAWA-Canada's supreme court heard testimony Tuesday on a Sikh teenager who argued that fidelity to his religion would be broken if the government forces him to remove a ceremonial dagger concealed beneath his clothes at school.

The case is being watched closely by some 300,000 Sikhs across Canada, some of whom have vowed to pull their children from public schools if the court rules against the boy. The Indian religion calls on its baptized males to wear the sheathed dagger as a symbol of power and truth, an object meant to cut through evil and deceit.

Sikhs complain that they have faced increased discrimination since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States - in particular bans against wearing turbans in the workplace.

The case began shortly after the terrorist attacks, when Gurbaj Singh Multani - then 12 - was playing at his public elementary school in Montreal. His "kirpan," the small dagger that Orthodox Sikhs never remove, even in their sleep, accidentally dropped from his clothes.

One of the mothers noticed the dagger and complained to the principal, who then told Gurbaj that he had to leave the kirpan at home. The family refused and pulled him from school while the matter went to the school board, which eventually banned Gurbaj from wearing the dagger.

That position was upheld by an appeals court, which ruled that the security of other students should take precedence.

His parents then sent Gurbaj to a private school, where he is allowed to wear the kirpan, but decided to continue to fight the matter.

"There are 300,000 Sikhs living in Canada and they can't all afford to go to private schools," the 15-year-old boy told The Associated Press.

The nine justices said they would rule later this year.

His lawyer, Julius Grey, argued before the court that kirpans were no more dangerous than pens, geometry compasses, art supplies and sports equipment.

 



TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: archaiccult; cult; sikhs; wierdcult; wierdos
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1 posted on 04/13/2005 10:57:54 AM PDT by tomball
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To: tomball
".....to wear the sheathed dagger as a symbol..."

If the purpose is symbolic only, then there is nothing wrong with asking them to use plastic replicas.
2 posted on 04/13/2005 11:01:11 AM PDT by contemplator
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To: tomball

A crucifix is kinda pointy and dangerous, too, isn't it?


3 posted on 04/13/2005 11:01:46 AM PDT by gundog
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To: tomball
His lawyer, Julius Grey, argued before the court that kirpans were no more dangerous than pens, geometry compasses, art supplies and sports equipment.

His lawyer is an idiot.

4 posted on 04/13/2005 11:03:57 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (If you're not part of the solution, YOU ARE the problem.)
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To: gundog

What about the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?


5 posted on 04/13/2005 11:04:09 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: tomball

I thought this issue had gone away and Sikh kids in school carry a small replica of the dagger.


6 posted on 04/13/2005 11:04:48 AM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: tomball

Does that mean he can call in Sikh?


7 posted on 04/13/2005 11:05:44 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Everything that I've written on it for the past two years is GONE!)
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To: tomball
Sikhs are not the only ones who can claim a religious right to bear arms:

Luke 22:36 Then said he [Jesus] unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

8 posted on 04/13/2005 11:05:51 AM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us...)
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To: massgopguy
If all of the edges are rounded I don't see the harm. :)
9 posted on 04/13/2005 11:07:34 AM PDT by gundog
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To: contemplator
If the purpose is symbolic only, then there is nothing wrong with asking them to use plastic replicas.

Plastic replica weapons are just as bad as real ones. Get with the program!

10 posted on 04/13/2005 11:10:26 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (“Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It is a waste of time and it annoys the pig.' Robert Heinlein)
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To: tomball
I say let the kid wear it to school. I used to bring my pocket knife to school every day and didn't get complaints about it. It was on my key chain which i'd toss to the guard when i went through the metal detector.
11 posted on 04/13/2005 11:12:39 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tomball

Sikhs can never cut their hair, that is why they wear it up in a turban. Also, they wear a bracelet that they can never take off as well as the dagger.


12 posted on 04/13/2005 11:15:57 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: tomball
I went through high school with a folding belt knife in a leather sheath. In four years, not once did it manage to leap out and kill any other students. Neither did the 30.06 that lived in my car during hunting season.

The trouble with liberals is they don't know how to train their weapons properly. Then, when their guns and knives and SUVs go off on a killing spree, all the good, conservative weapons catch the blame.
13 posted on 04/13/2005 11:31:21 AM PDT by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Rytwyng

Asatruar also:

38. Let a man never stir on his road a step
without his weapons of war;
for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
of a spear on the way without.

From the Hávamál.


14 posted on 04/13/2005 11:34:36 AM PDT by Ruadh (Liberty is not a means to a political end. It is itself the highest political end. — LORD ACTON)
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To: tomball
A valid defense only if this young Sikh keeps all 5 of the K's:

Kesh: Uncut hair
Kanga: Special comb
Kara: Steel bracelet
Kachehra: breeches for fighting
Kirpan: Dagger

Most Sikhs usually only wear a Kara these days.

15 posted on 04/13/2005 11:35:51 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: gundog
A crucifix is kinda pointy and dangerous, too, isn't it?

A Star of David could make a mean shuriken.

16 posted on 04/13/2005 11:52:02 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Yeah, but only if you are a master of Kung Jew....


17 posted on 04/13/2005 11:57:04 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Steel Bonnets Over the Border)
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To: tomball

A type of religous diversity I can support.
I have to respect a religon that mandates being armed at all times.


18 posted on 04/13/2005 12:09:00 PM PDT by John Will
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To: Modernman; tomball
I thought this issue had gone away and Sikh kids in school carry a small replica of the dagger.

Yes, indeed, you are right on. The original struggle was hard fought and a "Canadian compromise" was arrived at. This much vaunted compromise- 'er the spirit of 'as 'ow Canadians are so much more accomodating than the'Murricans, was absolutely agreed on. They could wear it under the strictest of conditions.

Once again and indeed it epitomises the "struggles" of so-called minorities, when they get a foot in the door. This is also the tactic of the homosexual activists. First get a dispensation to be "left alone". Then scream for preferential treatment- which mostly they get.

Lovely to see Freeper humour on this one. As Lady Macbeth quoth. "Is this a dagger I see before me?". No dear Lady, it is not- you cannot have anyone killed with it. LOL

19 posted on 04/13/2005 12:13:50 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Yeah, but only if you are a master of Kung Jew....

Ouch, that's bad!

20 posted on 04/13/2005 12:20:50 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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