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9 lives? Don't count on it, kitty - Vote favors end to feral cat protections
Milwaukee Journal / Sentinal ^ | 4/12/2005 | Meg Jones

Posted on 04/12/2005 11:34:55 PM PDT by flashbunny

Posted: April 12, 2005

Wisconsinites have spoken - at least those who showed up at Conservation Congress meetings - and it's bad news for feral cats.

Vote results released Tuesday show the idea of allowing anyone to kill cats that are not under the control of an owner or who aren't wearing collars passed 6,830 to 5,201 at Conservation Congress meetings held Monday in every Wisconsin county.

Though residents voted in favor of listing feral felines as an unprotected species, cats won't find themselves in cross hairs anytime soon.

Now it's up to the Conservation Congress, a five-person advisory group to the Department of Natural Resources, to vote and possibly pass along to the DNR its recommendation on what to do with feral cats.

Any changes in animal-cruelty laws, however, would require action by the Legislature. That means it won't be open season on kitties, at least not yet.

"OK, we're not talking about shooting cats," said Steve Oestreicher, Wisconsin Conservation Congress chairman. "We're talking about whether they should be classified as an unprotected species."

The Conservation Congress will meet next month to discuss whether it will support the statewide vote. That's likely, Oestreicher said, since the question passed in 51 of 72 counties. It would then be taken up by the Natural Resources Board in May.

Pro-cat groups were disappointed.

"It's appalling news," said Jessica Frohman, of Alley Cat Allies, a Bethesda, Md., clearinghouse for information on feral and stray cats.

"It shows there's a clear need for education in Wisconsin and beyond about what feral cats are and how they behave and how the (cat) population needs to be controlled in humane ways. In one sense, it's a very large vote on ignorance. But in another sense, there was a large margin of people who voted to protect the cats," Frohman said.

Ted O'Donnell, who started dontshootthecat.com in response to the cat-hunting proposal, said he wished the idea had been voted down, but he was heartened by the turnout. He attended the meeting in Dane County where about 1,200 people showed up, including cat people clutching stuffed animals, wearing cat ears and whiskers and holding pictures of felines.

O'Donnell noted the vote margin was much closer for cats than mourning doves. In 1999, tens of thousands of residents voted overwhelmingly in favor of a mourning dove hunt.

"We perceived this as a back-door attack on our animal-cruelty laws. My lack of surprise comes from my understanding of the body," said O'Donnell, who owns Mad Cat Pet Supplies in Madison. "The history is whenever the Conservation Congress wants to shoot something they get it - and this is no exception."

The idea was proposed by Mark Smith, a La Crosse firefighter who wants the state to reclassify stray and feral cats as an unprotected species, arguing that they're no different from invasive species. After news of the proposal hit local and national media, Smith was the target of death threats.

Smith, whose answering machine message said he would not talk about the feral cat proposal, did not return a phone message Tuesday night.

In support of his proposal, Smith cited research by a University of Wisconsin-Madison professor that showed feral cats kill millions of songbirds as well as native species such as pheasants and grouse every year in the state.

Despite the yes vote, the Legislature would have the ultimate authority to change animal-cruelty laws.

"If it ever got that far (lawmakers) would have to declare the animal a nuisance. That will probably not happen," said Oestreicher.

"The thing here is, hopefully we've gotten the attention of the irresponsible pet owners, not just here in Wisconsin but other states, that once you tire of that animal, just don't take it out to the woods and drop it off."

Attendance at the Conservation Congress hearings was 13,281, more than twice the number that showed up last year. The meetings are always held on the second Monday in April. The 20-year average is about 7,000, though more than 30,000 attended in 1999, the year of the mourning dove hunt vote.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 1everytimeyou; 2godkillsakitten; cats; feral; feralcats; makethat102ways; plezthinkofdakittens; wisconsin
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To: HAL9000
Anyone who messes with my cat will regret it.

Several years ago we had a very bad problem with cats spraying on our property. I put up with it until a cat sprayed our baby's car seat. Then I built a live trap. I captured cats and released them in the desert in an area teeming with coyotes. I call this my feline relocation and recycling program. (I would have dropped them off at the animal shelter, but my work schedule prohibited it.) In about 6 weeks, I relocated and recycled 11 cats. I could have caught more, but the smell of their spray was faint enough to live with.

Keep your cat on your own property.

101 posted on 04/13/2005 1:37:52 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( .:: Johannes Paulus Magnus: "Well done, good and faithful servant!" ::.)
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To: flashbunny
"And one thing I've noticed on all these threads:" "For all their talk about how evil shooting feral cats is, I haven't seen one freeper volunteer their time and / or money to capture, feed, and care for these animals."

Oh, I wouldn't say that.......

102 posted on 04/13/2005 2:54:44 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: flashbunny

1. It's impossible to keep a cat on your property, unless you keep it inside all the time.

2. If you keep cats inside all the time, they can't kill vermin.

3. Killing vermin is a Good Thing, and prevents diseases.

4. Ask farmers, they like to have cats on their property. At least the ones I do. A good mouser barn cat is worth its weight in gold.


103 posted on 04/13/2005 3:24:51 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue

"3. Killing vermin is a Good Thing, and prevents diseases."

"4. Ask farmers, they like to have cats on their property. At least the ones I do. A good mouser barn cat is worth its weight in gold."

Amen!


104 posted on 04/13/2005 3:34:49 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: FairOpinion

"Great, so people will be shooting cats in the middle of the city -- and they will be aiming at cats and probably hitting kids."

Most town have ordinances against discharging a firearm within the city limits.


105 posted on 04/13/2005 3:49:05 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: flying Elvis

Ah, didn't see your post!


106 posted on 04/13/2005 3:49:25 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: infidel44

If I laugh at that i'll get creamed by the feline protection society.

(But it was funny!)


107 posted on 04/13/2005 3:51:47 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: flashbunny

I've adopted several feral cat families over the years. My current four cats are a former barn cat and her three kittens. All four neutered. They are lovely pets.

I also have participated in a program where feral cats are caught, taken to a vet, neutered, and released.

My mother has also taken in feral cats. She is in the process of trying to tame one now. It's not easy, the cat has been lurking under her furniture for months now, but will come out and sit quietly, even though it doesn't want to be petted.

My husband is especially good at taming feral cats.

The most important thing about feral cats is that you MUST get them spayed or neutered, otherwise they will breed. But the life of a cat in the wild is short, so why kill them?


108 posted on 04/13/2005 4:01:15 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Paul_Denton
Whats to stop some person from shooting an animal (regardless wether its abandoned or not) just out of F*CKING ANNOYANCE.

The same thing that's supposed to stop them now - the law.

109 posted on 04/13/2005 4:32:41 AM PDT by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control.)
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To: flashbunny
I've taken in some 20 stray cats.

And four stray dogs.

There are alternatives to killing these animals.

They are domestic animals, not wild.

110 posted on 04/13/2005 5:10:25 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: flashbunny
Yeah.....don't 'solve' the problem....just kill it. Don't encourage responsible ownership or blame the real culprit of this problem...just kill it.
This so-called 'solution' will never work. It's a$$-backwards. You dont' solve a problem at the end...you start at the beginning. Responsible ownership. People are so naive. I'm just glad Rush Limbaigh 'gets it'.
111 posted on 04/13/2005 5:19:51 AM PDT by Pillows
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To: cabojoe; flashbunny
I volunteer too...catch cats...clean....etc. These people don't realize that shooting the poor cats is not the answer. It will NEVER EVER solve the problem that needs to happen. You need to enforce sterilization. These same trigger happy people do not care about educating the public about this or helping the cats to live a decent life...they just want the problem solved for 'them personally'. And that problem they are talking about is also beyond me. I've yet to know of anyone who was concerned about canaries....which by the way, are killed off due to pesticides. I think it's just that they are running out of animals to kill. Also....this guy calls into Rush's show yesterday saying that the cats are eating pheasant eggs. He's wrong....raccoons, squirrels, possum and some BIRDS eat them. People are just misinformed.....it's sad and hard to see such naivete.
112 posted on 04/13/2005 5:30:57 AM PDT by Pillows
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To: Nam Vet
We are talking about FERAL cats ..... not strays. That should be clear enough.

And you can tell the difference? My cats have microchips and are gonna go nuts in that trap and hiss and spit at YOU because they are scared out of their minds. You gonna get the meter to read the chip? If it's in your bushes just lost asking for food and shelter or help...and it hisses at you(which is what will happen)...you gonna catch it and run the meter over the cat to see if it is just lost?

113 posted on 04/13/2005 5:35:19 AM PDT by Pillows
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To: flashbunny
"wish to provide birth control for deer. Guess what, that doesn't work, either."

I never understood how they were going to force those deer to wear condoms. :-)

114 posted on 04/13/2005 5:37:55 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: flashbunny
The songbirds belong there. Feral cats don't.

Every year at my gym, I see a bunch of dead birds under the tree.....for about a week.
They spray the trees to rid of them bugs.

At least a few times a year, the ponds around here are floating with dead fish.
They sprayed the ponds for algae, weed, bugs.

I remember foxes, panthers, herons, storks used to nest behind my moms house.....they're all gone. I saw them dead in the streets and killed off by poisoning from the contractors (it's done all the time to rid the area of animals)...turtles, alligators, even otters on the roads....saw alot of lost foxes running everwhere. Time to build the houses.

There are many reasons why animals disappear. A few homeless cats are not the reason.

115 posted on 04/13/2005 5:41:50 AM PDT by Pillows
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To: infidel44

"I feed mainly racoons and some coyotes, and some possums, and if the coyotes consume the kitties, so be it. this is nature. Just like when the cats kill the birds."

One difference is cats don't belong in the wild.


116 posted on 04/13/2005 10:45:43 AM PDT by flashbunny (Any discussion involving cats apparently requires the abandonment of logic by cat lovers.)
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To: Pillows

I guess your anecdotal reports of a few observations outweigh all the studies done by universities and conservation programs.

What a great idea. We could replace every study in federal and state budgets just by using personal observations of random people. That's very scientific.


117 posted on 04/13/2005 10:48:57 AM PDT by flashbunny (Any discussion involving cats apparently requires the abandonment of logic by cat lovers.)
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To: flashbunny

Well, just tuned into rush and he too has abandoned logic on this.

I guess when you own a cat and someone talks about killing Feral cats, which are pests, you abandon all logic and just emote away.

Quite depressing hearing rush act like a bliss ninny on the radio. It's rather pathetic in a way.


118 posted on 04/13/2005 10:54:51 AM PDT by flashbunny (Any discussion involving cats apparently requires the abandonment of logic by cat lovers.)
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To: flashbunny
That's very scientific.

Just like shooting a cat is.

119 posted on 04/13/2005 11:18:07 AM PDT by Pillows
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To: flashbunny
One difference is cats don't belong in the wild.

Just like pesticides and shotguns.

120 posted on 04/13/2005 11:19:42 AM PDT by Pillows
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