Posted on 04/12/2005 8:38:42 AM PDT by FR_addict
BANGALORE, India - China and India should work together to dominate the world's tech industry, bringing together Chinese hardware with Indian software, China's prime minister said Sunday.
On a visit to India's southern technology hub of Bangalore, Premier Wen Jiabao said the two nations should put aside their historic rivalries for the venture and welcome a new "Asian century."
"Cooperation is just like two pagodas (temples), one hardware and one software," Wen said. "Combined, we can take the leadership position in the world," he said.
"When the particular day comes, it will signify the coming of the Asian century of the IT industry," he said in an address to information technology professionals in Bangalore.
(Excerpt) Read more at story.news.yahoo.com ...
RE: disgusting little piles on the floors, all throughout restrooms in Beijing Central Station.
Oh, a disgusting but ever so rich image! :=)
New Xeon unearthed as Intel's first all-India chip
By Ashlee Vance in Chicago
Published Saturday 1st May 2004 03:41 GMT [This is a year old news now!!!!]
Exclusive A future Xeon processor from Intel has popped up on the company's roadmap with a first-of-its-kind name and birthplace. The chip dubbed "Whitefield" has its roots in India and not the Pacific Northwest, The Register has learned.
A confidential roadmap obtained by El Reg has revealed "Whitefield" to be a Xeon processor aimed at multiprocessor servers that will arrive in 2008. The chip follows "Potomac" due out next year, and its dual-core older brother "Tulsa." But unlike its predecessors, "Whitefield" will be 100 percent designed in India with its name coming from an industrial township on the edge of Bangalore.
Multiple sources, outside of Intel but familiar with the company's plans, have also confirmed knowledge of the Whitefield chip.
At first, we were thrown off by the Whitefield name, searching maps of Oregon and Washington to locate the city. After all, that's where almost all of Intel's code-names originate - Yamhill and Tukwila being two examples. But a search pointed us toward Bangalore where Intel recently laid down $41m to build a new processor design center.
Gravy!
When the India design center was first announced, Intel India's President Ketan Sampat bragged that his workers would be taking on a future Xeon design.
"We are in a three year development phase. So a 'Made in India' chip is likely to be released in the year 2005-’06," he said at the time.
It appears, however, that Sampat was a bit optimistic. Our best information indicates that both Potomac and Tulsa were designed here.
At present, there is very little information available about Whitefield. It will arrive shortly after the Tukwila version of Itanium appears in 2007, but no speeds or design specs are provided on the confidential roadmap. Calls, however, have been placed, and we hope to bring you more in the very near future.
As with any processor four years out, there is a risk that Whitefield might not arrive exactly as planned. But our roadmap shows that as of this month, Intel's intentions for the processor were all systems go.
In a larger context, the success of Intel's India crew highlights some fears workers here have had about sending jobs overseas. Processor design work does not fit in the call center/low-level programming category that tends to dominate US companies offshoring plans. These are highly skilled workers going head-to-head against their US counterparts.
So, if retraining is your best bet for keeping the paycheck coming, you'd better "skill up" fast. Sigh. ®
[COMMENT: "Processor design work does not fit in the call center/low-level programming category...." Boy, that was saying a mouthful! ]
That Whitefield microprocessor isn't even going to be ready until 2008, if then (remember, we're talking about engineers in India). It'll turn out to be useless and lagging from the get-go.
Freescale Semiconductor was Motorolla offshoring that has already petered out. Daddy company sold it off because it's going nowhere (no sense in pouring more billions into a failed venture -- Intel will learn this too).
The Simputer "poor man's PDA" is a real ho hum. You won't even know it existed five years from now. And IML is a spoof of WML -- aside from the Simputer, which nobody is going to buy, who else is using it? What does it accomplish? Nobody and nothing?
Thomas Friedman notwithstanding, predictably, the great India technology experiment is a failure. Yes, there are a billion people there willing to work cheap. But you get what you pay for, even though bit-illiterate MBA's from Ivy League schools who get appointed by boards that don't know better are slow learners.
To only be outclassed by the horridly stinky if no unsanitary Moscow Central Rail station and the restroom conditions at the conclusion of National Military Day parades in the says of the Soviets, with all those young CCCP soldiers on the way back to their varios barracks throughout the motherland...and a patethic shortage of toilet paper but no shortage of oh-so convenient pages of Pravda, Izvestya, and Komsumolskaya Pravda on the floor.
Asia leapfrogs US in Science & Technology"
India leapfrogs to 4G wireless
There are a lot more...
Promises, promises. "Potomac" and "Tulsa"? They won't compete. Xeon? Talk to me in 2008 if Intel doesn't sell off its India outsourcing operation before then (they will) because it will turn out to be useless. Hey, I designed a microprocessor in college, does that make me a threat to Silicon Valley, RTP, Dulles, etc?
Motor Trend magazine said back in the late '60's that the new Toyota corolla being sent to the the US would never sell because people would not ever buy Japanese cars and they were poorly put together and they were not innovative or cutting edge and had no options.
At the same time Carrol Shelby(ford Racing driver) turned down the entire South west area dealership franchise for Toyota because he thought they were junk and would never sell. He later said it's the biggest mistake he ever made.
Every country has it's time. Just because we are the leaders now in IT does not mean it will be that way 20 years from now. Some people that used to be in the textile or TV industry will glady sell you some florida land.
Quote: If I was a hate-America-first liberal, I could write a lot of meaningless technology columns about how the U.S. can't compete with India, China, etc. Of course, I'd be lying.
No it's people like Paul Ross and myself who love America and don't want to see all our hard efforts and standard of living washed down the toilet. Too many ceo's, politicians and American people treat the US today as a business versus a country. The almight dollar is the new god and consititution all wrapped up in one.
there will be hiccups initially but make no mistake - these people will learn and then teach us a lesson or two.
Tell em D.!
you asked
"Name one operating system developed in India, name one working network protocol, name one processor... Heck, you can't even name one word processor or web browser from India."
I provided u with the answer.
All i got back is your rant.
thank u come again
You're right, maybe I should have said name anything from India that isn't worthless.
india is free. it is a democracy. anyways what has democracy go to do with mastering science in the "short term".
ex: the soviet union was NOT free but it still put people in space. democracy and free market do work in the long run. but make no mistake - mastering science / technology doesnt need either.
check out the graduate programs in most of our top universities and you will find tons of indian and chinese immigrants contributing to research here. what prevents companies from going to them and hiring them in india or china itself.
Creativity in technology isn't about democracy, it's about real freedom to reap the rewards of innovation, to work with all kinds of people, to engage in and have ownership of creative enterprise. Europe is democratic and it is not a leader in technology. Like Europe, India does not have the culture to inspire great technologists, only the U.S. does. They cannot learn that in a graduate school. BTW, you're saying nothing new about demographics in engineering schools, this has not changed for decades.
i will leave you to your delusions of grandeur. by the way european businesses including philips, nokia, ericson lead in technical innovation. and once india / china cross a threshold they will be able to do the same.
an ostrich that buries its head in the sand will not see anything else. as a country we shouldnt dismiss threats / competition but acknowledge it and take measures to mitigate the threat.
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