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To: AntiGuv
"Evil exists entirely at god's discretion although he doesn't want it to exist."

No, I disagree.

It is not necessary for you to believe or comprehend God's omniscience or omnipotence, particularly by the way you imagine these to operate. It is enough that you believe God is sufficiently knowledgeable, wise and powerful to accomplish His divine plans and purposes.

In spite of our disagreement, I commend you for taking the time to explore this. I realize, from your previous posts, that just discussing this requires a time investment.

Most people will not be intellectually honest enough even to explore these ideas. Most people do not believe in God because they do not like the idea of moral accountability, not because of logical reasons.
278 posted on 04/11/2005 2:45:37 PM PDT by unlearner
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To: unlearner
I realize, from your previous posts, that just discussing this requires a time investment.

Thanks for understanding! I have a major deadline on April 22 and am actually quite worried that I won't have enough waking hours between now and then to get the work done (that's definitely my fault). I really shouldn't be posting today at all; I told myself last night I wouldn't (so much for that).

I could ramble on about these topics all day because I find them of intense interest, so that's why I need to get them out of my head and go! See ya! :)

285 posted on 04/11/2005 2:55:22 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: unlearner
Most people do not believe in God because they do not like the idea of moral accountability, not because of logical reasons.

And most people only believe in God because they want to pretend they are morally superior to others, not because of logical reasons.

Gee a'int wild unsubstantiated claims fun!!!!  

But what a bunch of tripe

1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just  0.2% of the prison population

2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.

Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as The pregnancy rate for unmarried women has continuously declined through the 1990s and the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.

3) Born Again Christians are just as likely to divorce as are Non-Christians

4) Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. Compare them to very Christian countries like those in Latin America whose societies are in constant chaos and turmoil. 

Now if religion had anything to do with being moral, As the country turns more secular wouldn't the trends be going in the opposite direction.

Here is two articles for ya' on how the morailty of young people in our country is improving greatly

Rush Limbaugh on the Next Generation and It's the Morning after in America

You will notice 1 thing missing from both articles, Religion.

Now explain to me, If people are chosing not to believe in God only because "they do not like the idea of moral accountability" how come they end up being just as moral and in many cases more moral than people who do?

304 posted on 04/11/2005 5:46:04 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: unlearner
Most people do not believe in God because they do not like the idea of moral accountability, not because of logical reasons.

And most people only believe in God because they want to pretend they are morally superior to others, not because of logical reasons.

Gee a'int wild unsubstantiated claims fun!!!!  

But what a bunch of tripe

1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just  0.2% of the prison population

2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.

Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as The pregnancy rate for unmarried women has continuously declined through the 1990s and the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.

3) Born Again Christians are just as likely to divorce as are Non-Christians

4) Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. Compare them to very Christian countries like those in Latin America whose societies are in constant chaos and turmoil. 

Now if religion had anything to do with being moral, As the country turns more secular wouldn't the trends be going in the opposite direction.

Here is two articles for ya' on how the morailty of young people in our country is improving greatly

Rush Limbaugh on the Next Generation and It's the Morning after in America

You will notice 1 thing missing from both articles, Religion.

Now explain to me, If people are chosing not to believe in God only because "they do not like the idea of moral accountability" how come they end up being just as moral and in many cases more moral than people who do?

305 posted on 04/11/2005 5:48:04 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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