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The public--and our students--deserve better than that.

Indeed.

Bill Would Allow Intelligent Design Teaching Requirement

1 posted on 04/11/2005 10:25:56 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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2 posted on 04/11/2005 10:26:33 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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...intelligent design has nothing to do with the six days of creation...

dissembler ping!

3 posted on 04/11/2005 10:29:08 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

> Yet intelligent design has nothing to do with the six days of creation and everything to do with hard evidence and logic.


BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Yeah, and I'm the Pope.


4 posted on 04/11/2005 10:29:57 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I don't see any scientific evidence that would contradict the idea of a designer - assuming that that designer has been working for some 1 billion plus years, making lots of mistakes and false starts along the way.


5 posted on 04/11/2005 10:32:25 AM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I don't see any scientific evidence that would contradict the idea of a designer - assuming that that designer has been working for some 1 billion plus years, making lots of mistakes and false starts along the way.


6 posted on 04/11/2005 10:33:16 AM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Enterprise. Captain Kirk here. Ship's log.

"Location of crewmembers Spock and Kirk is Earth, 2004. I believe they called it the Democratic National Convention.

There appears to be no sign of intelligent design down here, Scotty. Beam us up. Over and out".


7 posted on 04/11/2005 10:34:39 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

ID has "everything to do with hard evidence and logic"? Logic includes the fallacy of the excluded middle. Hard evidence means, well ..umm.., hard evidence - as in directly observable evidence. By example, hard evidence of murder is a body with a knife in its back, not a missing person and a trail of blood.


9 posted on 04/11/2005 10:37:20 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
OK, let me save the Darwinists some time here and ape (pun intended the usual sneering attack: The author violates the First Law of Truly Scientific Thinking: "Never explain things in simple terms that common people can understand. Always use technical terms of art to obfuscute the fact we haven't got a clue about our own biases, much less the holes in the nebulous we keep on life support." There's not enough Latin-derived words in here, so it's obviously the work of an uniformed idiot/religious zealot. As such, it must be ignored by us enlightened intellectuals. An "educational psychologist"? are you kidding me? Hundreds of real scientists believe in macroevolution. See link, www.ourevidenceisweakbutdon'taccuseusoffaith.edu.
10 posted on 04/11/2005 10:38:51 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Why was this article published 9 days late?


11 posted on 04/11/2005 10:39:30 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Inquiring minds want to know)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

"If every elementary particle in the observed universe (about 1080) were cranking out mutation events at the cosmic speed limit (about 1045 times per second) for a billion times the estimated age of the universe, they still could not produce the genes for a working flagellum."

Now that's an interesting statement.


12 posted on 04/11/2005 10:39:43 AM PDT by Sabatier
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
To hear some folks talk, you'd think it's a scam to sneak Genesis into science classrooms. Yet intelligent design has nothing to do with the six days of creation

The fact that most of the people promoting "intelligent design" seem to be hellfire-belching snakehandlers is just a statitical fluctuation.

13 posted on 04/11/2005 10:40:53 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I've heard it alleged that Evolution stands up to the test of being falsifiable while ID does not. Anything to that?


19 posted on 04/11/2005 10:45:20 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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Has anybody heard if Kent Hovind has been indicted for tax fraud? Haven't seen a post on him for awhile.


36 posted on 04/11/2005 11:05:32 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

ID is an argument for alien creation, that we were put here by extraterrestrials.


ID promoters don't tell you this, because 'God' then becomes an alien race.


43 posted on 04/11/2005 11:11:30 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

"Mark Hartwig has a Ph.D. in educational psychology from the University of California, Santa Barbara, specializing in statistics and research design."

...in other words, he knows JACK about evolutionary biology.


56 posted on 04/11/2005 11:17:19 AM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Yet intelligent design has nothing to do with the six days of creation and everything to do with hard evidence and logic.

Exactly what is missing in the theory of evolution........hard evidence and LOGIC.

Those who do NOT believe (at least) in Intelligent Design, have a gaping hole in their brains where the logic is supposed to be.

64 posted on 04/11/2005 11:24:05 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, who are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

bump


66 posted on 04/11/2005 11:25:20 AM PDT by griffin
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
ID makes no hypothesis that is proveable/disproveable in a laboratory, therefore it is not science.

Back! Back to the philosophy department!

72 posted on 04/11/2005 11:34:48 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
If every elementary particle in the observed universe (about 1080) were cranking out mutation events at the cosmic speed limit (about 1045 times per second) for a billion times the estimated age of the universe, they still could not produce the genes for a working flagellum.

That nice, but then so what? Do you jump from this statistic to say "aha, there must be a God who designed this and THAT'S why it works so" or do you say, "yes, we don't understand all of the answers yet and thus we must think and study harder to try to understand how such a thing could've occured." ID is an intellectual dead-end. It's basically saying "this is TOO HARD. I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. I know, I'll say God did it all and then I don't have to think anymore."

FWIW I'm a theist (Catholic), but ID is nothing new. Cultures have preached ID from the dawn of time. Can't figure out why the stars and planets move the way they do? Hey, it's ID! Those stars and planets are really Gods and they move hither and yon and they wish. Of course, if you want to ditch ID and figure it out (y'know do the HARD work) well maybe you'll discover the theory of gravity.

75 posted on 04/11/2005 11:35:53 AM PDT by PMCarey
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Keep up the good work, sir :-)


80 posted on 04/11/2005 11:45:29 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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