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Why VERY INTELLIGENT Men Fail With Women
bullz-eye.com ^ | 04/07/05 | by: David DeAngelo, Author of "Double Your Dating"

Posted on 04/10/2005 3:32:35 PM PDT by paltz

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To: durasell
This "vision quest" thing sounds like a bad trip, on 'ludes, meth,coke, or prescription durgs, to me. my former "friend" used to tell me of the "vision quests" he had, during his "trips",courtesy of xannax, percodan, darvdaset, or whatever those prescription durgs are called.
541 posted on 04/14/2005 12:34:08 AM PDT by Rca2000 (America, oh America, I MISS YOU!!!!!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Perhaps the widespread military service undertaken by 17-18-year-olds in past geneations made a difference, and helped a larger percentage of young men establish themselves as independent individuals, free of Mom's apron strings and her teachings on romance.

I learned one, and only one, lesson about women in the military.

There was this nice girl around the godforsaken post that everyone in the company was drooling over, but other than cheesy pickup lines, none had ever really interacted with her. I mostly ignored her because I was young and she was way out of my league. One day when we were out and about on liberty, I saw her upset about something standing by herself while I was looking for a place to buy beer or some such. Already topped off with minor amounts of liquid courage, I asked her what was wrong mostly as a courtesy and started talking to her. Being the only guy in the area that talked to her like a real person, she latched onto me almost immediately.

When I walked back to the rest of my guys with a case of beer under one arm and that girl under the other, well, the expression on their faces was priceless. I did not do anything with her other than make sure she had a good time that night -- I'm not that kind of guy, particularly with a girl I perceive as emotionally vulnerable like she was -- but it kind of shifted my perspective. I owned that girl at that night. It also made me a minor legend at my unit. The only difference between me and every other guy in my unit was that I actually talked to her without being a jackass, and that made all the difference. I was honest, confident (in that instance), and not a complete sleeze, and that was all that was really required other than some good timing.

That incident convinced me that any guy can "get" any girl given some basic skills and decent timing, and permanently altered my perspective. At that point it becomes a question of selecting an appropriate girl to have a relationship with, not what girl you can "get".

542 posted on 04/14/2005 12:44:22 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: patton
Dude, if you follow your argument to the logical conclusion, you are going to wind up a rich-old-fart raising the pool-boy's kids.

Hardly. The point is that looks are a minor factor in the big scheme of things. If you are hung up on looks, you have completely missed the game. Women have relationships with pool boys because their "men" aren't real men, and the metric of such things has little to do with looks. Looks may make it easier to get in the door, but they certainly don't seal the deal in my experience.

543 posted on 04/14/2005 12:54:51 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: HitmanNY
That is, a man is 'good looking enough' for even the most gorgeous women so long as he is not physically repulsive.

Yes, you said it better than I. Dressing well, staying in vaguely decent shape, and being well-groomed is about all that is required of a guy. In this regard, men have it far easier than women on average because these are things guys can change with a modicum of effort. Women are often judged by intrinsic characteristics that are a basic part of who they are.

Of course, the problem is that most guys 1) don't realize that these things are important, and 2) have no idea what constitutes "correcting" them. I would actually say that while a man should not listen to women on how to behave (they often give poor advice), women often give good advice on how to dress well and on how to clean yourself up to be appealing. They actually know something about this. Honestly, I learned a lot about how best to dress myself from former girlfriends, and I was more than happy to listen as it always seemed like reasonable advice that never steered me wrong.

cheers!

544 posted on 04/14/2005 1:06:24 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: tortoise
Men do have it much easier than women in that regard, you are very right. Even just a little attention to appearance goes a very long way for a man.

You are once again correct in that women do give great advice on clothing. That being said, I do advise guys to take off roughly 10% of the advice women give in that sphere - sometimes when calling the shots they tend to make a man too 'dressy,' like they are living out their longtime fantasy of being a dresser for mannequins at Saks 5th Ave!

My role model for dress (and manliness in general) is Steve McQueen's Thomas Crown (though updating the fashion style to 2005). Well dressed but slightly rough around the edges. Masculine, but certainly not pretty. Well groomed and with a great presence, but avoid the 'not a hair out of place' prissiness that just isn't very manly.

Every man has to find his own way - for rare formal events, for example, I usually stand out since my tuxedo is a slightly more stylish cut with a shawl collar, rather than the cookie-cutter angular-lapel look that every guy's rented tux looks like. I look better in it and it fits my personality. Most guys tend to appear that they can't wait to get out of their rented tux! ;-)

Seriously, I'd say that Freeper men need a lot of help in this area, except that my experience is that most men in the modern era need advice on matters of romance. The feminization of the West has created a legion of frustrated and confused men, and very unfulfilled women.
545 posted on 04/14/2005 2:23:06 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY; tortoise
Maybe we can lay out a few simple rules for Freeper men based on the last hundred or so threads on this topic:

Mr. Jeeves' Clues for the Clueless

1) If a woman gives you advice on clothes and grooming for a date, listen very carefully to what she advises - she's probably right.

2) If a woman gives you advice on what to say on a date, ignore it. In fact, consider saying the exact opposite.

3) Forget everything your mother ever taught you about women.

4) If you have a bratty little sister, you have a huge advantage over most men: you've already learned the secrets of how to deal with beautiful women. Treat them exactly the same way as you would treat your sister.

5) Men have it easier than women in looking good enough to be acceptable to almost any woman. The requirements are pretty generic.

6) Women have it much easier than men in knowing what they need to do to attract the opposite sex. 99% of her work is done once she achieves the right look...which may not be easy, but at least the goal is clearly defined.

7) For a man, attracting women is a much more complex process requiring considerable preparation, maintaining the right attitude, and doing the correct things to keep her attracted. Unfortunately, you have to keep working at it for as long as the relationship lasts. There's never a day off.

8) For homework, watch Sean Connery as James Bond. Watch how the Bond character interacts with beautiful, powerful women. Does Bond ever shyly say anything like, "You are really pretty...if you don't already have a boyfriend, can I take you out sometime?" Wouldn't you crack up laughing if he did? So do beautiful women when you say it to them.

9) Self-confidence is everything. The self-confident man can get away with saying or doing almost anything. The man with no self-confidence gets accused of sexual harassment.

10) It's OK to make friends with married women. Never make friends with single women. You are wasting your time, and theirs. Either there is a romantic connection or there isn't, close the door and move on. Corollary for single women: Those men who you think are your friends are just waiting for the right moment to try to introduce sexuality to the relationship. Don't be shocked - but they really don't like you for your mind. ;)

Feel free to add to the list...

546 posted on 04/14/2005 7:07:02 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Bump for the day shift... ;)


547 posted on 04/14/2005 11:05:55 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: sauropod

LOL!!! I think you were talking to me. LOL!!!!! You are still wrong! LOL!!!!


548 posted on 04/14/2005 11:49:21 AM PDT by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: antivenom
And I don't bother asking for directions either. Nor read the instruction manual.

Takes too much time.


549 posted on 04/14/2005 1:18:14 PM PDT by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: concerned about politics

I'm female, and I disagree with this author.

He also says don't have logical (or deep) conversations about religion and politics. Well, guess what, that is what my wife and I have been talking about since we started dating. Somewhere along the line, I realized dating girls with whom I couldn't have a meaningful conversation was a waste of time, and I decided to be myself, talk about deep subjects, and voila...engaged and married in a year.


550 posted on 04/14/2005 1:28:05 PM PDT by jrny (Veni Creator Spiritus, et emitte lucis tuis radium.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Works for me. ;-)


551 posted on 04/14/2005 3:23:55 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Senator Pardek
Take my ex-wife - PLEASE take my ex-wife!

Good grief, Senator - Why would I do such a thing? I like guys.

552 posted on 04/14/2005 5:52:20 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
It was a joke.

You're not old enough to remember Henny.

553 posted on 04/14/2005 7:50:58 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek

I know it was a joke but my reply isn't, LOL.


554 posted on 04/14/2005 7:56:55 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Who's Henny?


555 posted on 04/14/2005 7:57:49 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Post 555 was for you.


556 posted on 04/14/2005 7:58:52 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Senator Pardek

Hahaha, let's try again. Post 555 was for you.


557 posted on 04/14/2005 7:59:47 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

http://www.google.com/search?q=henny+%22take+my+wife%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official


558 posted on 04/14/2005 8:08:02 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
OK got it, LOL! Thanks for the link.

"I take my wife everywhere, but she keeps finding her way back." - Henny Youngman

559 posted on 04/14/2005 8:13:59 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

LOL - dear me - I'm getting old!


560 posted on 04/14/2005 8:27:21 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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