Posted on 04/09/2005 3:31:33 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
The author of this essay is a fool. He askws in the last line about our freedom. What the left never gets is that without the ultimate freedom, the freedom to defend your own life, you can't really have freedom.
That's my two cents.
Arioch7 out.
Nicely Fisked here:
http://heartlesslibertarian.blogspot.com/2005_04_03_heartlesslibertarian_archive.html#111296946924871648
The number of examples of situations that would have had a better outcome IF there was a firearm handy is in the millions. Maybe billions.
This guys says absolutely nothing in support of his own position or anything else for that matter. The closest he comes to a point is the above which is flatulent circumlocution.
Yeah, I was trying to find some actual argument there and really couldn't find any beyond 'guns are bad 'cos I say so'.
I don't know where Josh Horwitz hails from, but, in my neck of the woods far more people are killed and injured by cars than by guns.
Of his cases, one was a criminal stealing a gun from an armed guard (not sure he is saying all of our police should be unarmed as well), and in one case the child WASN'T killed, but a bystander was after he shot the suspect, which distracted him enough that the police were able to get him before anybody else died.
In other words, in the case where the shooting was in a place where we are still allowed to have guns, the number of people killed was a lot less.
The question isn't whether too many people are killed because we allow guns, it is how many more people would be killed if only criminals had guns.
To those who argue that if we outlawed guns that would cost more, realise that to a criminal "cost" is translated to "rob a few more people at gunpoint", something that is a lot easier when you know your victims will be unarmed.
Countries where it seems a gun ban works also have other laws restricting the rights of citizens in ways we would never contemplate.
The price of freedom isn't gun violence, it is that we don't stop people for suspicion, so bad things can happen.
Gee, I never realized Somalia and Russia had such permissive gun laws. (Rolls eyes).
I think HUD should mandate that all wealthy communities in this country must host a site for low income housing and half way houses for drug users/homeless. When the rich families have family members accousted by menacing people on the streets, carjacked, homes broken into and deal with crazy people, I think their attitude towards guns would change, expecially when the police arrives after the fact to collect information because they can do nothing to stop it because courts ruled that menacing people have rights and you cannot do anything to them unless they attack you. The problem is many gun ban advocates live in wealthy communities insulated from crime, because it is the middle class who forms the buffer zone for them.
Lets get rid of the guns and return to the good old days when the bad guys walked into the tavern and hacked everyone to death with axes. or people got mug by bad guys after they had their throats cut by daggers. And snipers fired from the bushes with long bows.
People have been killing people for the last 15,000 years or so, long before they invented a damn gun.
These ideas should be debated, but not as a substitute for hard thinking about whether a society where citizens feel they need to be armed to the teeth to go to school, work, or church is really good for our quality of life, our safety, and our freedom.
The question isn't whether too many people are killed because we allow guns, it is how many more people would be killed if only criminals had guns.
As Josh advocates the trampling of my Second Amendment rights I'll bet he's horrified that his liberties and rights are under attack by the Patriot Act. He's probably "outraged" and "chilled" by the fact that some FBI guy might be able to take a peek at his library card.
Fringe culture? What is so fringy about the 53% of the voters who put Bush into office for a second term?
Decent folks must be the stopgaps of violent crime and violent criminals
..If you want peace you must train for war..
There's the way it ought to be and there's the way it is..
Sometimes ya just gotta face the cold hard facts..and prepare yourself and your family for reality..
You cant live in some socialist pipe dream..or teach your kids to...not if you care about them anyway...
imo
I had NRA hunter safety in gym class in high school. No one in my school killed another in my school. Maybe the schools are causing hate or doing something wrong. I did not fire a gun in anger, not even in Viet Nam!!! The armed civilians are what saved this country form the British more than once. Where did they say this guy came from?
The gun-grabbers are one of the few people that I will not compromise with under any circumstances.
I sometimes think it would be easier talking to a brick wall, LOL!
Arioch7 out.
"With somewhere around 200 million guns in private hands in the United States, our society hardly suffers from a shortage of firearms, and it is not clear why adding millions more would make us safer"
Most of these guns are locked up in a safe. Now if folks were able to use them to defend themselves with the applicable laws, then he might have a point. But until then his statement is simple fantasy.
Maybe young Josh never learned that our country won it's freedom by use of the gun? Maybe young Josh also never learned that it's been use of the gun that's kept our freedom so long?
Odd too that young Josh doesn't mention the 1997 school shooting at Pearl High School in Mississippi where the Principal, using his gun, stopped the shooting? Seems none of the left stream media mentions that one very much.
http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OthWr/principal&gun.htm
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