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Patriotic, Peaceful Muslims - (can this be genuine?..or is it a ploy?)
HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE.COM ^ | APRIL 7, 2005 | ROBERT SPENCER

Posted on 04/08/2005 7:01:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: Skywalk
Do you REALLY think ALL Muslims are evil and brutal and intent on conquest?

Well, lets think about this. Nobody is born Muslim, it is a religion, not a racial group. Therefore for someone to be a Muslim they must make the choice to be one. Now take the religion at face value, it teaches murder, torture, conquest and enslaving the world for Islam as its holy command.

Therefore I can safely say ALL Muslims are evil and brutal and intent on conquest, as their holy books demand that, and they have of their own free will decided that is what is holy in their lives.

Seriously, have you even met a variety of Muslims or any other group from different backgrounds and nationalities?

Yes, I have lived in over 7 countries, and live in the Middle East currently. I have 1 million Muslims within 100 miles of my house and half of them vote in polls that to shred me with a terrorist bomb is a valid form of political expression AFTER they steal half of the only Jewish State to make their 22nd Arab one. Do you know of any Christians or Jews that think blowing up a school bus full of children will get you into paradise?

There is an obvious difference between religions don't you think? Perhaps you should drop the "all religions and history's are alike" thingie. It really does not hold water in the light of day.

41 posted on 04/09/2005 2:19:29 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: landorepub
Sounds like the whole liberal strategy to me.
I wouldn't be surprised that George Soros is funding this.
42 posted on 04/09/2005 2:21:53 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Torie
Who engages in knee jerk anti Muslim hysteria? ...I pat myself on the back for resisting it.

I know a few hundred million devout Muslims that would like to pat you on the back of your neck with a sword because the Koran commands them to behead you as a non-muslim.

It is not a knee-jerk reaction when you can read it for yourself in black and white. It is simply self-preservation. However to face a hungry lion and try to pet it saying nice kitty is certainly a knee-jerk liberal reaction, as well as patting one self on the back for their superior understanding of lions.

Unfortunately I have discovered that all that nice moral superiority vanishes when you actually meet the lion face to face. It is hard to pat oneself on the back with a bloody stump.

43 posted on 04/09/2005 2:27:48 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ArmyTeach
On the contrary, given the acts of violence and terrorism over the last 30 years , it is incument up them earn that trust and to prove their good will and peaceful intentions.

Good point, and valid, however you should have said "given the acts of violence and terrorism over the last 1400 years". Islams history has not varied for ALL it's History. That is why this statement is all the more ludicris by these "moderate" Islamics. 1400 years of deeds are hardly washed away by one news article of "we should".

Only the little coward in the school yard is foolish enough to hope that "this time the bully keep his promise to leave me alone if I give him my lunch money, again" after 1400 years of history.

44 posted on 04/09/2005 2:34:29 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Torie
And it is incumbent on us not to push away the outstretched hand...

And while we were meeting the Japanese Ambassador's outstretched hand, Japan bombed Pearl harbor. The fleet launched for the attack before the Ambassador even traveled to washington.

As PT Barnum said, "There is a sucker born every minute. And, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time..." I see you are in the latter category.

45 posted on 04/09/2005 2:40:18 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Torie

I have an idea, if the Muslims really want peace, they can lay down their arms. Surprise, instant peace!


46 posted on 04/09/2005 2:41:43 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: CHARLITE

Don't take this personal, but was your family in the Klan? Hence did they say the same exact things about Jews and Blacks that you're saying about Muslims today?


47 posted on 04/09/2005 4:14:39 AM PDT by freedom44
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To: American in Israel

Maybe you missed the link in #11. Here's an excerpt :

"Dr. Mohammed believes that the Quran unambiguously says that the Holy Land belongs to the Jews. He’ll go to any mosque and debate any doubting imam."
"his mission: to combat the growing tide of Islamic political radicalization by teaching what the Quran actually says – not how the Islamic holy text is interpreted by imams."

He's one of the founders of this group.


48 posted on 04/09/2005 4:54:05 AM PDT by Brooklyn Kid
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To: Torie

"Who engages in knee jerk anti Muslim hysteria? It is pandemic around here."

You can say That again.
People complain about muslims not voicing their disdain for muslim extremists/fanatics/terrorists, yet Every article I've read that was written by or about a muslim speaking out against them, is met with negativity.
It makes no sense.

Anyone who truly wants moderate muslims to speak out and condemn radical muslims, should be supporting the moderates when they do. Otherwise, stop complaining when they don't.


49 posted on 04/09/2005 5:13:54 AM PDT by Brooklyn Kid
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To: A_Conservative_Chinese

How do you repair/re-interpret something that says "kill all non-muslims"?

"Anyone who judges by the group is a peawit. You take men one at a time."
Sgt. Killrain
"The Killer Angels" by Michael Shaara


50 posted on 04/09/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by Valin (The Problem with Reality is the lack of background music)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Aren't they a little late?


There have been Muslims saying this kind of thing for some time now, as you very well know, or should know.


51 posted on 04/09/2005 7:40:37 AM PDT by Valin (The Problem with Reality is the lack of background music)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
People complain about muslims not voicing their disdain for muslim extremists/fanatics/terrorists, yet Every article I've read that was written by or about a muslim speaking out against them, is met with negativity.

BTTT.

52 posted on 04/09/2005 7:49:34 AM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
Does Dr Mohammad also agree with the Islamic scriptures that state that the Jews must be slaughtered to the last man by Muslims? Everybody knows Israel belongs to the Jews, but what good is that is there are no Jews left alive?

That is precisely why this is nothing but a dog and pony show for Western consumption. The "good" doctor is duplicitous at best.
53 posted on 04/09/2005 9:20:08 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Torie

"Avoid the broad brush tainting all. That is the road to avoidable conflict and violence, leading to unjust war."

Shouldn't you be addressing this to the muslims?



54 posted on 04/09/2005 9:24:45 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: CHARLITE

Islam's ' proper place' is in the dark pages of history along with the other bloody death cults. It needs to be GONE, forever, wiped from the face of the earth and the minds of mankind except as a shameful stain and a testament to brutality and evil.


55 posted on 04/09/2005 9:25:51 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: freedom44

Yep. They're "moderate" Muslims - temporarily out of ammo.


56 posted on 04/09/2005 9:28:53 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: A_Conservative_Chinese
I have to ask a question: How do you repair/re-interpret something that says "kill all non-muslims"?

Good question!!
57 posted on 04/09/2005 9:30:06 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: freedom44

See post #27. When you have an answer to his question, get back to both of us, ok?


58 posted on 04/09/2005 9:30:56 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: CHARLITE
Hmmm... maybe it isn't, dreamy and peaceful..

(Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516) Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

59 posted on 04/09/2005 9:37:40 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Torie
And it is incumbent on us not to push away the outstretched hand, and instead launch a deposition.

I don't think anyone is pushing away an outstretched hand. We have become the living example of the adage "Once burned, twice shy".

Except that we got burned and didn't turn them away. And we got burned again and didn't turn them away. And again, and again, and again until 9/11.

And, in all of those cases, the so-called "moderates" kept their silence. They didn't speak out against the slaughter of innocent people. They didn't speak out against those who were "hijacking" their religion.

They just didn't speak at all.
60 posted on 04/09/2005 9:39:47 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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