That's not what I mean.
When it comes down to ethics and morality, the Libertarian Party and the Democrats are kissing cousins.
Individual libertarians may vary, but the official Libertarian Party is infested with barking moonbats.
Posted on 04/08/2005 5:00:59 PM PDT by libertarianben
Playing to the demands of their Christian-right base, Republicans chose to abandon even the slightest notion that they support states' rights in the case of Terri Schiavo.
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Good first post. :-)
This is exactly what we need to do -- focus on our mistakes and learn to do better next time, because I'm afraid Terri isn't an isolated case. This is going to end up a major issue, whether people want to deal with it or not.
We can't let Terri's death be in vain. We can't afford to lose again.
I think it's just that Christophobia that runs deep in Libertarianland.
They hate the "Christers" even more than they hate socialists.
I don't agree with the premise behind your question and asked you;
Is it wrong to force people to be sustained in a vegetative existance by medical treatments against their will?
Do you or don't you agree with the US Supreme Court decision that every individual has the constitutional right to control his or her own medical treatment?
This exchange is illustrating how your attempt to frame a complex issue in simplistic terms is NOT working.
You remind me of some anti-death penalty advocates who would when faced with the more complex questions as to whether or not it is right to kill terrorists keep parrotting cliches like "killing is bad, do you or don't you agree"?
How simple-minded.
About the time states rights = giving up your right to life
So should Stephen Hawking be put out of his "misery"?
Is giving people food by mouth "medical treatment"? Do be aware that Greer ordered that not only gastrostomic feeding, but all attempts at giving food and water, be forbidden.
Although it's unclear whether Terri could have taken enough food and water by mouth to survive (she swallowed her own saliva, which would suggest she could handle at least a liter or two per day, but doctors on three separate occasions deemed gastrostomic feeding safer than oral feeding), an order that no oral feeding be allowed would kill anyone, no matter how healthy.
States Rights do not supersede LIFE or Liberty. If a state decides to kill its people for no reason someone has to step in.
I'm no more embarassing "My side" on this than you are on your Liberal Side. These Judges are Thugs, will always BE thugs and should be treated AS thugs.
If you don't like the way I express my sentiments, then I have a suggestion for you.
Don't read them, but in the meantime, direct your drivel towards someone who gives a damn. I don't
Okay, you are just another who isn't honest enough to answer a very simple, straightforward question.
You're so intellectually dishonest you won't even admit she was killed.
Right. If we refuse to join in with your shrieks of "murderers!" we are therefore "dishonest".
Your definition of liar is anyone who dares not to share your personal views on this case.
This is EXACTLY the type of simple-minded, one dimensional hysteria I was talking about.
According to your view, because God is able to feed everybody in the world, BUT millions starve each year, therefore that would make God a "murderer".
Give me a break.
Jorge, you have not answered my query, so, I ask again- what Law school did Judge Greer attend?
Jorge, what is Greer's legal education based upon?
How silly is ending an innocent life? You claim the law is justified- by the judicial decree of an elected probate judge- with NO LAW DEGREE. This is definitely not "silly" little man.
The Libertarian Party doesn't play favorites, if that's what you mean.
That's not what I mean.
When it comes down to ethics and morality, the Libertarian Party and the Democrats are kissing cousins.
Individual libertarians may vary, but the official Libertarian Party is infested with barking moonbats.
Then you don't believe in states. You must be an anarchist, congrads. In Libertarianben's perfect world, people would actually read the constitution and follow it.
Stop trying to turn the discussion.
Either you understand Terri Schindler Shiavo was killed, or you don't.
I already know you don't.
For one, "ethics" and "morality" are the same thing. Check it out in the dictionary/thesaurus. (And no, a thesaurus isn't an animal.)
For the second, get your story straight. First, Libertarians diss Christians, and then it's they *don't* diss Christians. Gee whiz. Please be consistent.
Now... as far as ethics goes. What part of the Constitution of the United States of America did you fail to read? Also, the Libertarian Party speaks for *maybe* 5%, the vocal and looney minority, of libertarians. the rest of is "small 'l'" libertarians are people who *used* to be Republicans, until the party got dragged into church and the church into government.
Please read up on your Founding Fathers. They all agreed that religion was necessary, but they didn't say it was necessary for the government. Following the Constitution in the strictest sense is *very* Christian.
So many of you (yes, "you") seem to want only to call on the words of the Founders when it suits a very particular interest. You lose sight of the fact that those men saw scenes of theocratic horror go on back in jolly old England that would make Quentin Tarantino puke. (Thanks to Dennis Miller for that little description.) They had seen first-hand that when religion mixed with government men did terrible things. They understood that there was a private morality, mostly Christian, that drove men to do good, but that the government had to be separated from it. They saw the government as a means, not an end.
If you trust the Founding Fathers, then trust them now. Don't try to legislate morality. Leave that the men and women in private. The government is only administration of life, not life itself.
Question: Where do the followers of other religions flee to when they are no longer welcome here? Build them another Mayflower?
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