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Organic-Rich Soup-in-the-Ocean of Early Earth [Miller experiment revisited]
REDNOVA NEWS ^ | 08 April 2005 | Staff

Posted on 04/08/2005 7:39:14 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

A new University of Colorado at Boulder study indicates Earth in its infancy probably had substantial quantities of hydrogen in its atmosphere, a surprising finding that may alter the way many scientists think about how life began on the planet.

Published in the April 7 issue of Science Express, the online edition of Science Magazine, the study concludes traditional models estimating hydrogen escape from Earth's atmosphere several billions of years ago are flawed. The new study indicates up to 40 percent of the early atmosphere was hydrogen, implying a more favorable climate for the production of pre-biotic organic compounds like amino acids, and ultimately, life.

The paper was authored by doctoral student Feng Tian, Professor Owen Toon and Research Associate Alexander Pavlov of CU-Boulder's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics with Hans De Sterk of the University of Waterloo. The study was supported by the NASA Institute of Astrobiology and NASA's Exobiology Program.

"I didn't expect this result when we began the study," said Tian, a doctoral student in CU-Boulder's Astrobiology Center at LASP and chief author of the paper. "If Earth's atmosphere was hydrogen-rich as we have shown, organic compounds could easily have been produced."

Scientists believe Earth was formed about 4.6 billion years ago, and geologic evidence indicates life may have begun on Earth roughly a billion years later.

"This study indicates that the carbon dioxide-rich, hydrogen-poor Mars and Venus-like model of Earth's early atmosphere that scientists have been working with for the last 25 years is incorrect," said Toon. In such atmospheres, organic molecules are not produced by photochemical reactions or electrical discharges.

Toon said the premise that early Earth had a CO2-dominated atmosphere long after its formation has caused many scientists to look for clues to the origin of life in hydrothermal vents in the sea, fresh-water hot springs or those delivered to Earth from space via meteorites or dust.

The team concluded that even if the atmospheric CO2 concentrations were large, the hydrogen concentrations would have been larger. "In that case, the production of organic compounds with the help of electrical discharge or photochemical reactions may have been efficient," said Toon.

Amino acids that likely formed from organic materials in the hydrogen-rich environment may have accumulated in the oceans or in bays, lakes and swamps, enhancing potential birthplaces for life, the team reported.

The new study indicates the escape of hydrogen from Earth's early atmosphere was probably two orders of magnitude slower than scientists previously believed, said Tian. The lower escape rate is based in part on the new estimates for past temperatures in the highest reaches of Earth's atmosphere some 5,000 miles in altitude where it meets the space environment.

While previous calculations assumed Earth's temperature at the top of the atmosphere to be well over 1,500 degrees F several billion years ago, the new mathematical models show temperatures would have been twice as cool back then. The new calculations involve supersonic flows of gas escaping from Earth's upper atmosphere as a planetary wind, according to the study.

"There seems to have been a blind assumption for years that atmospheric hydrogen was escaping from Earth three or four billion years ago as efficiently as it is today," said Pavlov. "We show the escape was limited considerably back then by low temperatures in the upper atmosphere and the supply of energy from the sun."

Despite somewhat higher ultraviolet radiation levels from the sun in Earth's infancy, the escape rate of hydrogen would have remained low, Tian said. The escaping hydrogen would have been balanced by hydrogen being vented by Earth's volcanoes several billion years ago, making it a major component of the atmosphere.

In 1953, University of Chicago graduate student Stanley Miller sent an electrical current through a chamber containing methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water, yielding amino acids, considered to be the building blocks of life. "I think this study makes the experiments by Miller and others relevant again," Toon said. "In this new scenario, organics can be produced efficiently in the early atmosphere, leading us back to the organic-rich soup-in-the-ocean concept."


Stanley Miller's classic "primordial soup" experimental setup,
with a simulated ocean, lightning and broth
of hydrogen, methane, ammonia and water.

In the new CU-Boulder scenario, it is a hydrogen and CO2-dominated atmosphere that leads to the production of organic molecules, not the methane and ammonia atmosphere used in Miller's experiment, Toon said.

Tian and other team members said the research effort will continue. The duration of the hydrogen-rich atmosphere on early Earth still is unknown, they said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; biogenesis; crevolist; earlyearth; millerexperiment; originoflife
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To: MacDorcha

"Ah, but walls can be built of things other than stones"

This experiment uses stones.

Selection of alternate building materials implies Intelligent Design.


81 posted on 04/08/2005 8:52:50 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: concerned about politics

"... "early man" had a backbone that connected to the skull like that of a monkey, yet in one gigantic "missing link", the back bone of a man connects to the skull like that of a bear with completely different DNA??"

What have you been reading???

"Maybe it's just big foot."

Oh, now I understand... Tabloids


82 posted on 04/08/2005 8:52:56 AM PDT by ndt
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To: Chiapet
I know we're supposed to be all serious here, but the idea of quantum psychics is pretty funny.

"I'm sensing in the audience... is there somebody here who has suffered the loss of someone close to them? Is there someone whose waveform has collapsed?"

83 posted on 04/08/2005 8:53:57 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Mathemagician

I have a question for everyone. Is life created from nothing by god? And if so, is it possible for us to wake up tomorrow and see the moon covered in rain forests?

Otherwise, is it more likely that the conditions (heat, pressure, atmosphere, water) of a planet or moon directly determine whether life has the ability to take root there?
Thus the moon will not instantly spawn life because conditions are not suitable for life there as we know it.


84 posted on 04/08/2005 8:54:13 AM PDT by Clorinox
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To: PatrickHenry

You seem to want to find an objective defense of atheism in scientific reasoning. I would point out that you offer a poor example of scientific thought in your presumption of results. True scientific thought must be open to contradictory notions. That is, you must be willing to explore a hypothesis through experimentation in order to determine whether it is tue, or whether, and please stay with me here, its opposite or complement is true.

All of your arguments provide evidence of your faith in atheism. You are, in fact, engaged in a theological debate, not a scientific one. You should reconsider your position and, more impotantly, your representation of your position as scientific, when it is not.

I admit readily and happily that I am a Christian. I am also capable of scientific reasoning. I acknowledge and embrace the plain fact that, if a scientific experiment succeeds in generating life from inorganic materials, that one of the central beliefs I hold would be under attack.

However, I have to scratch my head over your assertion: "...sensing that the "miracle" of life is soon to be created..." So, what particular "senses" lead you to conclude this? What scientific basis do you offer? Don't forget it must be an objective scientific basis, not a mere assertion peppered with ad hominum attacks. I would submit it is nothing more than wishful thinking occaisioned by your faith in atheism.

What say you?


85 posted on 04/08/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by sleepy_hollow
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To: AntiGuv

"Thus far, science can only take us back as far as the singularity, sort of, but science has never claimed that nothing preceded it. Science cannot do that, at least not with our current limitations."

Then why do so many "scientists" bash their heads trying to claim God did not play a part in our origins? You know they can't claim that, I know they can't claim that. Yet they claim it as Cannon.


86 posted on 04/08/2005 8:55:10 AM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MacDorcha
Interesting link: What Happened Before the Big Bang?
87 posted on 04/08/2005 8:55:53 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: MacDorcha

"Your arguement suggested the opposite. As I said, you didn't make yourself clear."

You don't seem to understand the difference between life appearing instantly from nothing, and life appearing from organic compounds on a planet with suitable conditions.

I'm sorry if my posts are confusing. Ask me a direct question and I will try to answer it with the best of my ability.


88 posted on 04/08/2005 8:56:27 AM PDT by Clorinox
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To: Clorinox

And why would the rules governing where life can come forth apply? Who or what enforces the laws of physics?


89 posted on 04/08/2005 8:56:39 AM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MacDorcha

Because there is no evidence of the existence of gods.


90 posted on 04/08/2005 8:56:40 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: doc30

Thanks for that explanation.


91 posted on 04/08/2005 9:00:48 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SedVictaCatoni

"I'm sensing in the audience... is there somebody here who has suffered the loss of someone close to them."

Wow are you good, I lost a Grandfather in '78


92 posted on 04/08/2005 9:00:48 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Clorinox

You seem to be confusing "life from nothing" with "life from non-life"

You see, you are attacking the "life from non-life" idea but you are using "life from nothing" ammo.

Given the suitable conditions and no catalyst carbon, ammonia and hydrogen just sit there. Given a catlyst, they form compounds. That's as far as we have gotten. Noone here has said empty space was willed directly into being life. Life was built upon building blocks.


93 posted on 04/08/2005 9:01:00 AM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MacDorcha

"And why would the rules governing where life can come forth apply? Who or what enforces the laws of physics?"


I don't know why the laws of physics exist. I don't know why the universe exists. But I do know the consequences of some of the laws. One of them being that life forms do not appear out of nowhere, they are always created through a chemical reaction we call reproduction. One of the first organisms most likely arose from pure chemistry, and eventually life developed which could reproduce on its own, a self-replicating chemistry experiment, given the right amount of heat, pressure, chemical components etc.


94 posted on 04/08/2005 9:03:26 AM PDT by Clorinox
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To: MacDorcha
from National Lampoons Deteriorata: "Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese; and reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be: Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises & urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up."
95 posted on 04/08/2005 9:03:29 AM PDT by Vaquero ("There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain))
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To: Vaquero
because time and chance always help order
96 posted on 04/08/2005 9:03:54 AM PDT by madconservative
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To: PatrickHenry

"Interstellar space is filled with extremely tenuous clouds of gas which are mostly Hydrogen. The neutral Hydrogen atom (HI in astronomer's shorthand) consists of 1 proton and 1 electron. The proton and electron spin like tops but can have only two orientations; spin axes parallel or anti-parallel. It is a rare event for Hydrogen atoms in the interstellar medium to switch from the parallel to the anti-parallel configuration, but when they do they emit radio waves with a wavelength of 21 centimeters (about 8 inches) and a corresponding frequency of exactly 1420 MHz. Tuned to this frequency radio telescopes have mapped the neutral Hydrogen in the sky. The image, http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010113.html represents such an all-sky HI survey with the plane of our Milky Way Galaxy running horizontally through the center. In this false color image no stars are visible , just diffuse clouds of gas tens to hundreds of light years across which cluster near the plane. The gas clouds seem to form arching, looping structures, stirred up by stellar activity in the galactic disk. "

Let's consider and analyse this verse:

Gen.1 [6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Here one may presume "waters" refers to both the primitive (hydrogen and oxygen) and the final liquid (firmament) states of water. The hydrogen ion layer is indicated as being present within the reference to "waters" from the beginning.

Finally consider these things from scripture:

Job.38
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Verse 5 could be telling us of that plane in our Milky Way and verse 7 plainly of the 1420 MHz radio wave frequency. If this lighter-than-air hydrogen ion layer was surrounding the earth's atmosphere in ancient days, the properties of the spin axis of hydrogen would have produced a "singing" when varying wavelengths of radiation from "the stars" bounced off, forcing the change of the proton and electron axis orientation. This layer, when ignited, could have also easily formed the water vapor necessary to trigger the "Great Flood" and just as easily been the filter necessary to keep out higher, more harmful, life-shortening radiation for prior generations. I also note the statement of man's days being shortened to "an hundred and twenty years" (Gen. 6 [3] ) after the flood and refer to the statement of "the windows of heaven were opened" (Gen. 7 [11] ). This could have been due to the depletion of the hydrogen layer which produced the deluge and allowed the higher concentrations of radiation to reach earth's surface. If this hydrogen layer had become ignited, it would have burned from the top down, not necessarily causing significant heat damage to earth, but producing trillions of cubic meters of water vapor being released into the atmosphere - hence the "Great Flood". So today's climate allows the formation of rain because the sun's radiation can reach the earth's surface in sufficient amounts to vaporize water since it isn't filtered by the former hydrogen ion layer. This holds true if you look at the densities of hydrogen ions in space relative to the ease of radiation's conductivity comparitively speaking to the atmospheric conditions where hydrogen ions are more densely located. Is it any wonder hydrogen is the most plentiful, but basic element of the universe? Notice locations of the largest coal deposits appear in mountainous valleyways - an indication that a high level flashover from the burning of hydrogen and oxygen very well may have "charcoaled" higher elevation vegetation, thus the charcoal settled into lower elevations and was subsequently covered by a sedimentary layer. There is no accurate carbon testing to date that can discredit this theory, but should the Ark Noah and his family survived on ever be found, it is highly probable the exterior would appear scorched on its outer skin.

But, that's just a theory....


97 posted on 04/08/2005 9:04:11 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: AntiGuv

Then you make your own elements by cooling down your own energy that you made of your own will and nothing else. After that, lets see you form life from non-life.

If there is no God (or gods as you put it) then there is no Truth, as God is Truth. If there is no Truth, then why are you even arguing that science is valid in the first place?

Again, who enforces the laws of physics?


98 posted on 04/08/2005 9:04:12 AM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MacDorcha

"Noone here has said empty space was willed directly into being life"

I thought that was the major claim of 6 day creationists.


99 posted on 04/08/2005 9:05:06 AM PDT by Clorinox
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To: PatrickHenry
There goes lots and lots and lots of creationist lawyering right out the window. All the finger-wagging about the incorrect assumptions of Stanley Miller's expermient, the oxidizing rather than reducing atmosphere, etc.

There will of course be no acknowledgment from the Holy Warriors. Being a lying, lawyerly a-hole means you don't do that sissy stuff.

100 posted on 04/08/2005 9:06:36 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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