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Chinese Navy Buildup Gives Pentagon New Worries
NY Times ^ | April 8, 2005 | JIM YARDLEY and THOM SHANKER

Posted on 04/07/2005 11:43:22 PM PDT by neverdem

Nelson Ching for The New York Times
Chinese Navy sailors took part in a welcoming ceremony for the flagship of the American Seventh Fleet at a port call last month in Zhanjiang, China. A buildup by China's navy presents new concerns at the Pentagon.

ZHANJIANG, China - At a time when the American military is consumed with operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, global terrorism and the threat of nuclear proliferation in North Korea and Iran, China is presenting a new and strategically different security concern to America, as well as to Japan and Taiwan, in the western Pacific, Pentagon and military officials say.

China, these officials say, has smartly analyzed the strengths and weaknesses of the American military and has focused its growing defense spending on weapons systems that could exploit the perceived American weaknesses in case the United States ever needs to respond to fighting in Taiwan.

A decade ago, American military planners dismissed the threat of a Chinese attack against Taiwan as a 100-mile infantry swim. The Pentagon now believes that China has purchased or built enough amphibious assault ships, submarines, fighter jets and short-range missiles to pose an immediate threat to Taiwan and to any American force that might come to Taiwan's aid.

In the worst case in a Taiwan crisis, Pentagon officials say that any delay in American aircraft carriers reaching the island would mean that the United States would initially depend on fighter jets and bombers based on Guam and Okinawa, while Chinese forces could use their amphibious ships to go back and forth across the narrow Taiwan Strait.

Some American military analysts believe China could now defeat Taiwan before American forces could arrive at the scene, leaving a political decision about whether to attack, even though Taiwan would already be lost.

Even the most hawkish officials at the Pentagon do not believe China is preparing for an imminent invasion of Taiwan. Nor do analysts believe China is any match for the United States military. But as neighboring North Korea is erratically trying to play the nuclear card, China is quietly challenging America's reach in the western Pacific by concentrating strategically on conventional forces.

"They are building their force to deter and delay our ability to intervene in a Taiwan crisis," said Eric McVadon, a former military attaché at the United States Embassy in Beijing. "What they have done is cleverly develop some capabilities that have the prospect of attacking our niche vulnerabilities."

China's rapid military modernization is the major reason President Bush has warned the European Union not to lift its arms embargo against Beijing. At the same time, some officials in Washington, particularly on Capitol Hill, would like Taiwan to buy more American arms to beef up its own defenses.

Japan, America's closest ally in East Asia and China's rival for regional dominance, is also watching China's buildup and reorganizing its own military. The Japanese prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, has echoed President Bush by calling on Europe to leave the arms embargo against China in place. A research center affiliated with Japan's Defense Ministry has also criticized China's increased military spending and cautioned that Beijing was rushing to prepare for possible conflict with Taiwan, an assertion China sharply denied.

The growing friction between Japan and China, fueled by rising nationalism in both countries, is just one of the political developments adding to tensions in East Asia. In March, China passed a controversial new "antisecession" law authorizing a military attack if top leaders in Beijing believe Taiwan moves too far toward independence - a move that brought hundreds of thousands of people in Taiwan out to protest China's most recent military white paper also alarmed American policy makers because it mentioned the United States by name for the first time since 1998. It stated that the American presence in the region "complicated security factors." China, meanwhile, accused the United States and Japan of meddling in a domestic Chinese matter when Washington and Tokyo recently issued a joint security statement that listed peace in Taiwan as a "common strategic objective."

"The potential for a miscalculation or an incident here has actually increased, just based on the rhetoric over the past six months to a year," one American intelligence analyst in Washington said.

At a welcoming ceremony on March 28 for the command ship Blue Ridge, of the American Seventh Fleet, here at the home base of China's South Sea Fleet, the American commanding officer, Capt. J. Stephen Maynard, and his Chinese counterpart, Senior Capt. Wen Rulang, sidestepped questions about the antisecession law and military tensions. Asked about China's military buildup and how America should view it, Captain Wen praised the United States Navy as the most modern in the world.

"As for China," Captain Wen said, "our desire is to upgrade China's self-defense capabilities."

In China's view, however, self-defense involves Taiwan, which it regards as a breakaway province and which the United States, by treaty, has suggested it would help defend. In 1996, when China fired warning-shot missiles across the Taiwan Strait before the Taiwanese elections, President Clinton responded by sending a carrier battle group to a position near Taiwan. Then, China could do nothing about it, Now, analysts say, it can.

In fact, American carriers responding to a crisis would now initially have to operate at least 500 miles from Taiwan, which would reduce the number of fighter sorties they could launch. This is because China now has a modern fleet of submarines, including new Russian-made nuclear subs that can fire missiles from a submerged position. America would first need to subdue these submarines.

China launched 13 attack submarines between 2002 and 2004, a period when it also built 23 ships that can ferry tanks, armored vehicles and troops across the 100-mile strait. Tomohide Murai, an expert on the Chinese military at the National Defense Academy in Tokyo, said that China's buildup is intended to focus on an American response, but he is skeptical that China already has the naval and air superiority over Taiwan to dominate the strait.

But Mr. Murai said China's military would continue to expand and modernize for years to come because of the country's booming economy, while Japan is restricted by budget constraints and its World War II era Constitution. Chinese subs and Japanese vessels already have played politically explosive cat-and-mouse games around a string of islands claimed by both countries.

"The speed of our modernization is not so rapid as in China," Mr. Murai said. "Many people in Japan worry that the balance eventually will be less favorable."

China, meanwhile, often expresses concern about rising militarism in Japan and notes that Japan spends more on its military budget - a debatable point since Western experts say China vastly understates its own military spending. China also worries that the United States Navy could be used to try to cut off oil supplies if a conflict ever arises over Taiwan.

Asked about growing concerns in Washington over China's military buildup, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, Liu Jianchao, said: "American worries are unnecessary. We stick to the path of peaceful development, and we do not pose threats to American influence."

Robert Karniol, an Asia specialist at Jane's Defense Weekly, noted that Japan is also modernizing its military in a significant way, largely as its competes with China for regional dominance in Asia. He said Japan is restructuring the independent branches of its military under a unified command modeled after the American Joint Chiefs of Staff.

And just as Japan is looking at China, he said, so is China looking past Taiwan at Japan. China's naval upgrades will not only strengthen its hand against Taiwan but also expand its influence around Asia.

"If the Taiwan issue was resolved next month, China's military modernization would not end," Mr. Karniol said. "The Chinese understand that if their ambition is to become the dominant power in Asia - well, who can disrupt that? The United States and Japan."

Jim Yardley reported from Zhanjiang for this article, and ThomShankerfrom Washington.


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To: neverdem

bttt


21 posted on 04/08/2005 3:04:00 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: LibertarianInExile
I agree that their should be carriers based in Guam, but there are none in Hawaii. Other than Kitty Hawk in Yokosuka, the rest of the carriers are in San Diego and Everett & Bremerton WA. This has more to do with the congress than the Navy.
Can you be more specific about Guam? When I was there, they loved us. And thought they were doing what they could to get more ships there. There used to be a boomer base there, as well as PCs and other ships.
22 posted on 04/08/2005 3:34:19 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: coconutt2000
The Chinese will attack Taiwan when outward aggression becomes the only way to release the internal pressures caused by their rapid development and economic expansion. It will become the primary way for the Communist Party to maintain its power and channel the growing military's energy at an external enemy.

BINGO! Well said.
23 posted on 04/08/2005 3:35:56 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis



U.S. Jet Fighter Programs Beset by Prohibitive Rising Costs


The U.S. Air Force’s jet fighter programs — the F/A-22 and the Joint Strike Fighter — are beset by soaring costs, development delays and changing world threats that raise questions about their viability, Congress’ investigative arm said April 6.

The Government Accountability Office said in a report that the original business case for the F/A-22 has been “severely weakened” and that the original business rationale for the JSF “is unexecutable.”

The uncertainty surrounding the two fighter programs, which together require future investments of 240 billion dollars, have broad implications for the Defense Department’s program to modernize the air force’s fixed-wing tactical fighters, the report said.

They raised questions “as to whether overarching goals to reduce average aircraft age and ownership costs while maintaining force structure are now achievable,” the report said.

“Decreases in quantities (of aircraft) alone — about 30 percent since original plans — raise questions about how well the aircraft will complement our tactical air forces in the future,” it said.

The idea behind the $245 billion JSF program — the Pentagon’s costliest — was to bring down the cost per aircraft by developing a common fighter with variants for the air force, navy and marine corps. Foreign partners were brought in to add overseas sales.

The Pentagon originally planned to acquire 3,000 of the aircraft, but has since whittled down its projected buy by 535 aircraft.

The aircraft has experienced design and weight problems that have led to increased costs and schedule delays, the report said. Moreover, the program’s customers are not sure how many aircraft they will need.

“The combination of cost overruns and quantity reductions has already diluted DOD’s (Department of Defense’s) buying power and made the original JSF business case unexecutable,” the report said.

Warning that most critical technologies will not have been proven in time for a scheduled decision in 2007 on whether to begin low-rate initial production, the GAO urged that the program take time to gain greater knowledge about the risks before proceeding.

The F/A-22, which began development in 1986 and faces a decision this month on whether to go to full production, was originally developed to vie with Soviet fighters for control of the skies.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the air force has been forced to adapt the air-to-air fighter to a much different “global strike” mission.

Plans to add attack capabilities to the aircraft have driven up costs.

The Pentagon has reduced planned purchases of the fighter to fewer than 180, down from 750 in its original plans, and in December decided to halt procurement of the aircraft in 2008 rather than 2011.

“Changing threats, missions and requirements have severely weakened the original business case (for the aircraft),” the report said.

“Program milestones have slipped substantially, development costs have more than doubled and a modernization program was added,” it said.

“The recent budget decision to terminate procurement after fiscal year 2008, the prospect of additional cuts because of ceilings on program cost, and upcoming defense reviews have significant implications for the program’s viability and the future of modernization efforts,” it said.


24 posted on 04/08/2005 3:40:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A hangover is the wrath of grapes)
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To: neverdem
Nor do analysts believe China is any match for the United States military.

No, but we are used to taking very few casualties. Even a short war with China would result in a mutual bloodbath. We would win, but the cost – both in personnel and material – would be great. Too great for most Americans. Far too great for the MSM to accept.
25 posted on 04/08/2005 3:48:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: dk/coro
"currently have 10 CV Battle Groups -- and the Quadrennial Review is poised to reduce it to EIGHT!"
Not sure where these numbers come from, currently we have 12 carriers (9 Nimitz, the Kitty Hawk, the JFK, then Enterprise) and 1 Nimitz under construction. The intent is to possibly retire the JFK a bit early as she is due for a major yard period and she's pretty old. That would cut us back to 11 till the Bush get's launched in 2008.
At worse case we'd reduce to 11 carriers. Not sure where the 8 comes from. We also have 12 Wasp/Tarawa class ships which can be configured in a "sea control" mode, where they have 20 Harriers and 6 ASW helicopters.
26 posted on 04/08/2005 3:50:09 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: coconutt2000
The Jews of the Orient reference refers to the stereotype of Chinese as being "tight with money"...

In other words, the stereotype is negative since it implies a miserliness on par with Scrooge.

I've always seen that referring to entrepreneurship combined with something of a diaspora.

27 posted on 04/08/2005 4:06:21 AM PDT by decimon
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To: neverdem

My buddy tells me there are a bunch of bubbleheads on this forum (those of you who are know what this means - I think I sort of do, and it's not an insult). You guys know that these new ships are just shinier targets. The only worry the Pentagon has is how many torpedoes will our subs need to carry.


28 posted on 04/08/2005 4:18:42 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: Spook86; BIGLOOK; xzins; Grampa Dave; MineralMan; elfman2; ThanhPhero; xusafflyer; tht73a; ...
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Thanks biglook

29 posted on 04/08/2005 4:53:52 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Sick minds think alike.)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Yeah, try as they might to make a showing, the Chinese blue water navy was able to do little more than pay lip service during the recent tidal wave disaster, they could not project their commie power.

Careful! The PLAN is focusing their construction efforts on Tank Landing Ships & Subs. While the LST's would have some utility in 'relief work' they really aren't off the ways yet. Subs are great for 'sea denial' work but are lousy for assisting flood victims.

Carriers (CV's) and Helicopter Carriers (LHD's & LHA's) were in demand during the Tsunami relief effort. It sounds like the PLAN has shelved its plans to construct a carrier. They realize that their navy has to walk (coastal defense) before it can run (blue water).

30 posted on 04/08/2005 5:16:16 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: neverdem
I was on a Navy ship that went to Zhangziang. While we were there, many people encouraged us to visit a certain website that would 'tell us more about their country' (website is no longer in existence, but I'm sure there are others like it). The website was actually a data collector, which recorded IP addresses and attempted to plant Trojan Horses on any computer that visited it. The idea, obviously, was that sailors would use the shipboard computers to visit the site, which might offer the Chinese a way 'in' to shipboard computer systems. Many of the younger sailors met some local young ladies, with whom they exchanged email addresses. Many of these same young ladies sent 'links to pictures' to said sailors, leading to--you guessed it--data collection sites.

The point? The Chinese are sneaky bastards. They aren't just going to make a grab at Taiwan with nothing to back up their military force. Yes, they are currently behind the US in military power, but they are catching up quickly (thanks to thefts of nuclear secrets during the Clinton administration and a fortuitous collision with an American spy plane, which landed on Chinese soil and ended up in Chinese hands). They are not going to fight 'fair'. They are developing excellent asymmetrical warfare tactics and anti-carrier tactics, and are likely moving forces around to take advantages of these new capabilities.

My first guess would be that Yokosuka-area sailors who are otherwise huge dorks suddenly have hot new Chinese girlfriends who are 'just dying to see the Navy base'. Bombs planted. Now, just prior to an attack, we'll start seeing hacking attacks on major US military and civilian targets, such as military infrastructure, banking facilities, electrical power grids, etc. And of course, the Chinese will overrun Taiwan quickly, to 'gain ground' against any US countermeasure as well as to entrench themselves on 'their' Taiwanese soil. And finally, they will launch the media campaign that will state that they were just taking back what was theirs all along (see WWII Germany for details) and decrying any criticism or attempt to counter their offensive as "American imperialism." The liberals and eurinals will instinctively nod their heads at any smearing of the American name, and by then the takeover will be complete.

But all of this begs the question, "Who the hell are the Taiwanese to me, and why should I fight (and possibly die) on their behalf?" As far as I'm concerned, the Chinese can have them. They want them back more than I want to defend them.

31 posted on 04/08/2005 5:21:10 AM PDT by Alien Gunfighter (Draw!)
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To: neverdem
Intelligence is what will win this battle, regardless of the orders of battle.

Simply put, in order for the PRC to mobilize enough forces to make a concerted amphibious invasion, they'll need to pull off a masterpiece of strategic deception. Even using the cover of a 'major training exercise' would only free up so much combat power, and China's opponents pay more attention at those times, not less.

If we detect major mobilization efforts, which are observable through numerous sources, then the jig is up. An invasion several times larger and more complex than Normandy doesn't just happen. Lots of moving parts will start spinning, and probably in ways that the PRC hasn't even thought of.

The best sucker punch China could pull off would not come close to winning them the island.

32 posted on 04/08/2005 5:26:01 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Try new Free Republic Lite! - Lite on reason, but with 1000% more hyperbole!)
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To: Alien Gunfighter

I think you have the Chinese OpPlan just about right.


33 posted on 04/08/2005 5:45:33 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Jeff Head
Thank you for your post 18 regarding some errors in the NYT article. I would defer to your knowledge on this subject as opposed to any NYT report.

That said, could you comment on the training level of the Chinese naval forces and exactly what threat they would pose to a US carrier force sent to defend Taiwan. Thanks in advance.

34 posted on 04/08/2005 5:54:13 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
They ( PRC ) present a Naval threat to the US in Afghanistan ? The NYTs must be smoking sometime, Afghanistan is a landlocked country. nuff said about the " supposed naval threat " the PRC posses for the US in Afghanistan.
As for Iraq, isn't most of the Naval heavy lifting done in Iraq ?
Basically now, we only have ships and naval personal for logistical support for our troops and maybe a few planes.
Basically, it is mop up operations in both Afghanistan and Iraq for our navy.
35 posted on 04/08/2005 6:02:44 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
The Chinese are not as well trained as our baval forces, but they do train regularly, and are furiusly training particularly with all of their new equipment in the China Seas in general and in the Taiwan Straits particularly.

The greatest threat to US Naval forces in the near future will be them holding our carriers futher away from Taiwan than we would like thus restricting our carrier air operations in a conflict over Taiwan.

With all of their new diesel/electric subs, with all of their new surface combatants, and with the dramatic increase in the modern aircraft that they have either acquired or are building, it would be very dangerous for our carrier groups to approach too closely until that is weeded out. Particularly in terms of their surface combatants with a combination of the new Hangzhou Class (Type 951/EM) guided missile destroyers that they have and are acquiring from Russia that carry the Sunburn or Moskit cruise missiles, designed to attack US Aircraft Carriers, coupled with their new AEGIS like area air defense destroyers.

Best guess is we would send in several (six or eight) Advanced LA Class subs, at least one of the Sea Wolf's and a couple of the Virginia Class subs to clear a lot of that out before we brought the carriers in close, all the while pounding whatever the ChiComms are trying to do with their own air attacks and cross strait operations from those carriers and from Guam. (Which, BTW, means we cannot rule out a ChiComm preemptive attack on Guam and had best be prepared for it). Then we would send the carriers closer and finish things off, totally destroying their new surface and sub fleets.

The question will be whether we can do that fast enough to save Taiwan. I believe in the current sitatuion that we can. The longer time goes on with their training and rapid buildup, the harder it will be, particularly if they get massive numbers of subs in the area.

Also, IMHO, the one gotcha is whether the ChiComms have some real balance shifter up their sleeve that tips the scales. A deployed and very effective supercavitating weapon for example, which we were not aware of and not prepared for could do that.

In addition, I would not excpect the Chinese to do this until we are more heavily engaged in the Mid East (ie Iran or Syrioa) AND after the N. Korea thing heats up to the point of our own heavy involvement...but that's just my opinion. IN that case, we would be even more constrained as to which assetts we could deploy there.

36 posted on 04/08/2005 6:30:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks again. Reading your analysis reminded me of the Falklands war during which a single RN nuclear attack sub sank the Belgrano. Subsequently the entire Argentine navy wisely retired to their home ports for the duration of the conflict. Would USN sub operations have a similar effect on the Chinese?


37 posted on 04/08/2005 6:38:32 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Not until quite a few are sunk I am afraid, particularly their subs. The Argentines had not credible sub counter force, the ChiComms will act when they feel they do.


38 posted on 04/08/2005 6:40:39 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tallguy

"Subs are great for 'sea denial' work but are lousy for assisting flood victims."

And that gig really worked out for the Nazis didn't it, NOT.


39 posted on 04/08/2005 6:41:59 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: neverdem

"The internal social strife of China could cause them to direct their nationalism towards Taiwan. We'll see. They haven't been too helpful with North Korea"

It is just now starting to warm up, not perculate.


40 posted on 04/08/2005 6:43:34 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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