Local Expert Says Jennings' Cancer May Be Advanced

Shop Talk ^ | April 8, 2005 | Gail Shister

[T.Smith]

I figured as much. I've been called a Nazi for real (on other smoking threads) and it "felt" different from your reply :-).

[brewcrew]

You wanna walk over a cliff, go right ahead. You might survive the fall, but, most likely, you won't.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Spoken like a true friend. Very supportive.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

That ping was unleashing the bowels of hell.

[Lexinom]

Of course if someone avoids tobacco altogether, their risks for getting this disease are reduced.

However, I'd like to see the anti-smoking argument applied consistently. I've two relatives on my dad's side who died from colorectal cancer. For consistency we would need to have actors begging people to abstain from red meat (which we don't need to live, and which is a documented risk factor for this disease).

My wife has an aunt who is wheelchair-bound because of diabetes. In her case, self-inflicted, from years of neglect of her own body.

My only point is something is going to kill ya, and I should be allowed to enjoy something that gives me pleasure AND decide for myself on risks I'm willing to accept. When I go to meet my Maker, I am ready for that day because of Christ's condescending love to an unworthy sinner.

[sinkspur]

Hey, sister! Why are you so defensive? We are free to discuss the overwhelming medical evidence that smoking causes lung cancer and hope that our fellow FReepers who smoke will quit.

You are free to disagree.

You are not free to jump down people's throats. You're the disruptor on this thread.

We are not targeting anybody.

[SheLion]

You've nailed it right there. That is EXACTLY what they would/will say.

Trying to impress Hillary? 

Well, you both are full of dog do-do.

[JeffAtlanta]

Its much better to point to the 50 year olds. thats a better propaganda spin, eh?

I'm not a smoker but I do think the anti smoking legislation has gone to far. Neither really affects that much so I don't have a dog in this fight.

My point was that pointing out that an 80 year old man died because of smoking isn't going to be very compelling or moving. If the anti-smoking groups want to get anyone's attention, they need to point out the 30, 40 and 50 year olds that die from smoking.

I will say, however, that it seems that the anti-smoking lobby is starting to act similar to the environmentalist movement. Both started off with good intentions but have morphed into some sort of quasi-religion that seek to appeal to emotions - facts and good science don't really matter all that much.

Just like any scientist that says that the link between man and global warming is weak will be ignored and considered to be on someone's payroll, any scientist that says that the anti-smoking lobby is overreacting will be considered a quack and biased.

[sinkspur]

Belittling another rational adult for one of their weaknesses is either misguided, or is borne out of a sense of superiority.

Smoking is not a weakness. It's an intentional habit. People quit smoking every day; some here have related their stories.

You're another that's very defensive. Nobody's belittling anybody. You smokers seem to want to shut down discussion about the link between smoking and lung cancer.

You're not going to do it.

[Lexinom]

I don't think she is at all. She's probably just sick of the stigmatization of one particular behavior to the virtual exclusion of all others. She's probably sick of being needlessly preached at for something with no moral implication.

If you derive pleasure from smoking, light up, to the glory of God. If you like a Martini before bed, that's fine - who am I to judge in matters indifferent?

[T.Smith]

You deserve a standing ovation for that one. I made much the same comment to SheLion via FreepMail, which she promptly posted on a hot thread. I can't wait for her disconnected response to your comments.

[Richard Kimball]

L8R

[SheLion]

Hey, sister! Why are you so defensive? We are free to discuss the overwhelming medical evidence that smoking causes lung cancer and hope that our fellow FReepers who smoke will quit.

You're the disruptor on this thread.

I am not a disruptor.  But I refuse to take the lies and insinuations from some of you.  None of you will listen to anything and none of you want to even READ links that are provided.  Even the WHO has said that smoking does not cause Lung Cancer.

I didn't write it. The World HEALTH Organization wrote it after many years of research and study.

So now I am not allowed to come in and voice my opinion?  The rest of you sure feel free to come into our smoking threads to voice YOURS!

[sinkspur]

Thanks for the encouragement, though. And I thought you were just a bomb-thrower. Bless you.

Gotta have somebody to throw bombs at!!

Seriously, I'll keep you in my thoughts and pray that you realize you're worth a place on this earth for as long as you can occupy it.

[kingattax]

the nose-pickers and gassers always pick on smokers.

[brewcrew]

You have a very interesting view of the world, sink. You've been around here for a very long time, and I respect that. But you show a great deal of insensitivity on this issue. Defensiveness does not exist in my posts, but you choose to see it. You and I are done on this subject. I hope your holier-than-thou attitude doesn't spill into other aspects of your life. It can be awfully lonely out there.

[BellStar]

My Ralph has small cell lung cancer. He sits at the table when he has the strength to. He has oxygen all the time now and his cigarettes. As he tells me I'm no quitter. I smoked for 2 years in my late 20's and never smoked again. I never minded Ralph smoking never asked him to quit. Never made him smoke outside like my friends husbands are made to.

Oh how I wish I had been a nagging B!tch now that it is too late. Like you said and I believe It "He will take them when He's ready"

johnb838, I will wish/pray you and my Ralph a big old case of the will to quit! Remember: I can't He can I think I'll let Him!

[LS]

Congrats! Any way you have to do it!

My "quitter" story was easy---I never had a desire to start. As for alcohol, my dad gave me a "Pabst Blue Ribbon" when I was about 7. I spit it out and said, "That tastes like horse pee." Never drank, either.

[Age of Reason]

Smoking cigarettes is the dumbest thing anyone can do.

I quit smoking a long time ago.

And smoking is an unnatural and dangerous activity, which may well some day be the death of me even though I quit.

Still, tobacco is wonderful stuff.

Too bad it is unhealthy.

[sinkspur]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Spoken like a true friend. Very supportive.

If you're expecting someone to take the cigarettes away from you, you're going to be smoking for a very long time.

How should I support you? Be quiet about what smoking causes?

Not a chance.

[SheLion]

We are trying to have a reasonable discussion, just go away. You bring down everything thread with your idiotic ranting.

Go smoke yourself to death, I couldn't care less. You are a miserable stinky shrew who has no pity for anyone who is dying from lung cancer. I would hate to be you and glad you can't be near me in any restuarant because you are too petty of an old witch to go anywhere that won't allow your filthy habit.

You are a pathetic.

See?  You can't hold a decent debate without attacking me.  You need a spell checker to boot.

I'm old?  hehe

Filthy habit?  Like I said Hillary:  I bet even YOU have habits that "I" would find disgusting. 

You take the cake Sis.  I bet you are a real hoot over on the Yahoo smoking boards.