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Officials: Man not held against his will
AP ^ | 4/7/5 | ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

Posted on 04/07/2005 1:04:16 PM PDT by SmithL

TUCSON, Ariz. - Authorities determined Thursday that three volunteers involved in a civilian project to watch the border and report illegal crossers did not hold an illegal immigrant against his will.

The Mexican man had told sheriff's deputies that he was detained and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan. The shirt read: "Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this T-shirt." Barton was one of the three volunteers.

"The county attorney's office reviewed all available evidence, that indicates that there was no forcible detention, therefore the case is not substantiated, and no charges are pending," said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Department.

The sheriff's department, Mexican Consul Miguel Escobar and the U.S. Border Patrol also agreed that the 26-year-old man was not detained, said Capas and Border Patrol spokeswoman Andrea Zortman.

The volunteers involved in Wednesday's incident identified themselves as members of the Minuteman Project - a monthlong effort that has people from around the country spread out along a stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border to report undocumented migrants and smugglers.

Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence. Mexico's foreign relations department also pledged in the days leading up to the civilian operation to pursue all legal and diplomatic means to stop the volunteers and ensure that they do not violate the rights of Mexican citizens.

Wednesday's incident was the first reporting any possible detention, though volunteers earlier assisted an immigrant in distress.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; minutemanproject; mmp
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To: wideawake
Injuring or killing people solves nothing.

When they are stealing my property it does.

It only creates bad publicity.

Can it get worse?

Besides, the real culprits here are not the illegals - if I lived in Mexico I'd want to leave to - it's the government officials, elected representatives and irresponsible employers who encourage and facilitate this behavior that deserve our anger.

I agree the Mexican government is nothing more than an organization for pimping out laborers. But, breaking the law is breaking the law!

I don't think Mexicans are too stupid to know right from wrong, but they should try taking over their own country before taking over ours.


21 posted on 04/07/2005 1:27:48 PM PDT by Niteranger68 ("I am not a conservative because I am successful; I am successful because I am a conservative.")
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To: ClintonBeGone
So now you kiss and make up with Bryan Barton, the organizer?

He sounds like kind of a dork to me. The MMP are doing a good thing down there. But every large group has a jerkoff or two. Just like Free Republic has you, that doesn't taint the rest of these good folks.

22 posted on 04/07/2005 1:29:25 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: HiJinx

Pinging some good news


23 posted on 04/07/2005 1:30:17 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: beltfed308
News service removed their original story replacing it, rather than updating it.Typical covering of tracks more here
24 posted on 04/07/2005 1:32:25 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: MileHi
He sounds like kind of a dork to me. The MMP are doing a good thing down there. But every large group has a jerkoff or two. Just like Free Republic has you, that doesn't taint the rest of these good folks.

Yeah, you like those classy guys who run for office like your pal Rick Stanley. I'll give you this MileHi, no one can pick a winner like you. :)

25 posted on 04/07/2005 1:32:40 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: SmithL
"Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence."

As opposed to the incidents of violence perpetrated by illegals crossing over into the U.S.

26 posted on 04/07/2005 1:34:24 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SmithL
"Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this T-shirt."

Actually, that gives me an idea for a T-Shirt:

"I voted Republican and all I got was this lousy T-shirt." :-)

...puts on flame-retardant suit.
27 posted on 04/07/2005 1:34:41 PM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: SmithL

Good.


28 posted on 04/07/2005 1:35:36 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: SmithL

What's the deal here? Is Mexican Consul Miguel Escobar now the arbiter of truth? Is he going to be called every time an illegal has an itch?

Send this S.O.B. back where he came from, and let it be known no more Consuls will be entertained until Mexico stops sending it's problems across our border.


29 posted on 04/07/2005 1:35:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: sasafras
"Thanks GW for showing your elitist liberal backbone that you grew in MA and act like your a Texan."

What the heck are you talking about? GWB had nothing to do with this. It's not like he marched the military down there to stop these militiamen or something.

30 posted on 04/07/2005 1:36:00 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: traderrob6

Thanks for the update!


31 posted on 04/07/2005 1:36:51 PM PDT by beltfed308
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To: ClintonBeGone
So now you kiss and make up with Bryan Barton, the organizer?

No. Bryan Barton did not violate the law nor does he deserve the trumped up scorn from the leftist AP and local papers. However, he violated the Minuteman Project S.O.P. and I've been able to ascertain that he is not what he presents himself to be.

I'm still working to have the guy removed and the evidence I've gathered is moving up the chain of command. He's been strongly reprimanded, but that isn't enough given what I now know about the guy and what he revealed about himself and his agenda during this incident.

Also, you've been told repeatedly that Barton is NOT one of the organizers. Why do you keep repeating that he is?

32 posted on 04/07/2005 1:40:01 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: wideawake
Besides, the real culprits here are not the illegals

Wrong my friend, the illegals are the real culprits here.
I know several folks from other countries who came here legally. They applied for a visa, filled out a ton of paperwork, paid the associated costs, and waited thier turn. Only when they were granted permission to enter this country did they do so.

Those who break our laws and enter illegally are the ones to blame.

33 posted on 04/07/2005 1:40:35 PM PDT by Buffalo Bob
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To: wideawake
Besides, the real culprits here are not the illegals - if I lived in Mexico I'd want to leave to - it's the government officials, elected representatives and irresponsible employers who encourage and facilitate this behavior that deserve our anger.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. That's like saying that the real culprits in bank robberies and liquour store holdups are not the actually criminals but the people that created the environment that denied them the money and quality of life that they feel that they are entitled to.

34 posted on 04/07/2005 1:41:46 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff

If the bank employees propped the door open and whispered to customers - "hey walk into the vault, take some money, nobody'll say anything" a lot of people who would not normally walk into a bank vault might just do so, and the bank employees would be considered accomplices to the thief's crime.


35 posted on 04/07/2005 1:44:53 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Spiff
Hey Spiff ...... great job down there buddy! Be sure to thank everyone down there again for me. Keep up the good work and sift out any and all questionables. Thx again to you all there.

Nam Vet

36 posted on 04/07/2005 1:45:46 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Spiff
Also, you've been told repeatedly that Barton is NOT one of the organizers. Why do you keep repeating that he is?

We'll, there are conflicting reports as to whether he's an organizer or not. More importantly, I compliment you for being consistent in still wanting him removed.

37 posted on 04/07/2005 1:46:31 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
We'll, there are conflicting reports as to whether he's an organizer or not. More importantly, I compliment you for being consistent in still wanting him removed.

There are NOT conflicting reports. You posted one single excerpt from an unsourced article wherein Barton claimed he was an organizer.

And, besides that, I am one who would know for a certainty if he was an organizer and I can assure you from firsthand knowledge that he is NOT. I don't care what La Prensa or some other rag says, the truth is that he is only a participant - and not for long either.

38 posted on 04/07/2005 1:48:51 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff
You posted one single excerpt from an unsourced article wherein Barton claimed he was an organizer.

No offense, but you've provided me no evidence to counter the newspaper story. Until such time I'll consider it a draw.

39 posted on 04/07/2005 1:51:32 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: MEGoody

"What the heck are you talking about? GWB had nothing to do with this. It's not like he marched the military down there to stop these militiamen or something."

What the heck are you talking about - GW is a RINO liberal elitist who traces his lineage to Mass. and has sold our sovergnty to business for cheap labor. He should march our military down here to enforce our border not stop the minutemen who are patriots and heros.


40 posted on 04/07/2005 1:52:15 PM PDT by sasafras (Innocent blood is on Bush's hands for doing nothing to protect our border)
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