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Panel discusses the issues, challenges facing transgendered people going to the bathroom
The Tufts Daily ^ | April 05, 2005 | Brian McPartland

Posted on 04/06/2005 12:15:31 PM PDT by rface

Stanton, a transgender Tufts graduate, talked about discrimination at work and the difficulty of finding a bathroom...."When I went into the bathroom, I would get a lot of awkward stares, awkward silences," Stanton said. "I thought, 'Do I have to explain myself to these people when I go to the bathroom?'"

Tufts students gathered last night to discuss the complex topics of gender issues and transgenderism.

Denise Leclair, Executive Director of the International Foundation for Gender Education led the discussion with Tufts graduates Kelly Sanborn (LA '04) and Kit Stanton (LA '04).

The panel commenced with an explanation of what exactly transgenderism is, and a definition of transsexuality.

"Transgenderism has come to be an umbrella term in today's society - it has come to mean somebody who challenges today's gender rules," Leclair said. "Many believe transsexuals to be people who changed gender through surgical procedure, but this is not always the case. Many times these people don't have the money to change or simply don't like doctors."

Leclair summed up her definition of transgender people by noting that "transgender people may be confusing but we are not confused."

The conversation then switched to the challenges facing transgender people in the United States.

"Many transgender people can't get proper documentation for their sex and that makes it difficult to find a job," Leclair said. "Also, more than half of the transgender people I know are disowned by their families. They find themselves on the street getting by hustling drugs or being a prostitute. It's not because you want to but because you have no choice."

Stanton, a transgender Tufts graduate, talked about discrimination at work and the difficulty of finding a bathroom.

"The job I got had a non-discrimination policy but did not mention anything about transgender people," Stanton said. While filling out an identification form at work, a superior insisted that Stanton write "Katherine," the first name listed on Stanton's birth certificate, instead of "Kit" - the name that Stanton had been known by for years. When Stanton asked the superior why the name change would be so important, he said that it would be more comfortable that way.

"I didn't know if I could even file a complaint about this or not because the company had no policy at all," Stanton said.

"When I went into the bathroom, I would get a lot of awkward stares, awkward silences," Stanton said. "I thought, 'Do I have to explain myself to these people when I go to the bathroom?'"

Sanborn then mentioned the changes she worked to make on the Tufts campus in order to make it more transgender-friendly over her years at the University, including changing some of the bathroom designations to make them more accessible for transgender individuals.

"There are a lot of single-stalled lockable bathrooms at Tufts that were gendered," Sanborn said. She worked with the Tufts administration to change the signs on the bathrooms so that they did not specify any gender.

"The administration was very friendly and some changes were made ... but a lot more still has to be done. There was some hostility from groups on campus ... who made lots of excuses that basically showed the transgender uneasiness that existed on campus," Sanborn said.

Sanborn also worked successfully to include a transgender policy in the housing policy at the University, which changed the housing policy to deal specifically with transgender cases.

Leclair concluded the presentation by calling for change in discrimination laws to include transgender people in the United States.

"At a national level we don't have much success, but on a state and local level we are seeing more support," Leclair said.

The event was sponsored by the Tufts Transgender, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Collective (TTLGBC) and by Emerge, a political organization working on behalf of the LGBT community.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
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I figure if you have a penis you go pee in the MENS room - if you don't have a penis then you go pee in the WOMENS room.

If you have a penis, but are dresses in drag --- then you are going to get funny looks....and that's the way it is.

1 posted on 04/06/2005 12:15:31 PM PDT by rface
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To: rface

Maybe we need more modern restrooms such as, "MEN", "WOMEN", "IT"


2 posted on 04/06/2005 12:16:30 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: rface

Waaay too much time on their hands.


3 posted on 04/06/2005 12:18:14 PM PDT by TheBigB (Need a thread hijacked? Call TheBigB! 24 hours a day...reasonable rates...inquire within...)
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They can go s*** in the woods like the bears, for all I care.


4 posted on 04/06/2005 12:18:20 PM PDT by Loyalist (Joannes Paulus P.P. II, 1920-2005, Requiescat in pace.)
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Hubby has a co-worker who changed from him to her and it's in the ladies room at work.

Big tall hefty her in there with the gals. AAAACCCCCKKKKKKK

5 posted on 04/06/2005 12:18:25 PM PDT by OldFriend ( MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH .......AWE INSPIRING)
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The fact that this kind of thing is taken seriously in our Universities explains a lot about just how screwed up the Universities are.
6 posted on 04/06/2005 12:18:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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If you have a Y chromosome, use the men's room, otherwise use the women's room. It's not that hard to figure out.


7 posted on 04/06/2005 12:19:34 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: TheBigB; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; dighton; hellinahandcart; martin_fierro
"Also, more than half of the transgender people I know are disowned by their families. They find themselves on the street getting by hustling drugs or being a prostitute. It's not because you want to but because you have no choice."

The devil made em do it.

8 posted on 04/06/2005 12:19:56 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

More proof - as if any is needed - that the "gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered crowd will keep pushing, shoving and ramming until the rest of us (the vast majority) are kowtowing to their every whim.

And since we won't, the only solution (for them to win) is Jack Booted Thugism - AKA as Judicial Rule By Fiat.

Let DirtyHarryY2K and me know if you want on/off this pinglist.


9 posted on 04/06/2005 12:20:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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Boy...you can tell how Kentuckians think! This Kentucky gal was just about to post the exact same thing!!! Way to go Hilltopper! JK


10 posted on 04/06/2005 12:21:44 PM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: rface

Where is the bathroom for dolphins?


11 posted on 04/06/2005 12:22:24 PM PDT by Undecided
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"Many transgender people can't get proper documentation for their sex and that makes it difficult to find a job," Leclair said. "Also, more than half of the transgender people I know are disowned by their families. They find themselves on the street getting by hustling drugs or being a prostitute. It's not because you want to but because you have no choice."

This line really ought to raise a red flag. Every behavior is a choice, all of them have consequences. Grow up, you idiot. (to the speaker)


12 posted on 04/06/2005 12:22:46 PM PDT by leoncaruthers
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What's to discuss-they should use the bathroom marked for the gender whose plumbing they possess-what nonsense.


13 posted on 04/06/2005 12:24:35 PM PDT by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...)
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The event was sponsored by the Tufts Transgender, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Collective



This sentence in itself should be enough to qualify the rest of the article for Scrappleface.com

Not a DAY goes by that I don't read a headline and conclude it's from scrapple- only to discover I'm wrong, wrong, wrong. Pitiful.


14 posted on 04/06/2005 12:24:52 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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"Also, more than half of the transgender people I know are disowned by their families. They find themselves on the street getting by hustling drugs or being a prostitute. It's not because you want to but because you have no choice."

There is a choice - and that is the most irritating part of this entire issue. Everyone has his/her own cross to carry. An alternative lifestyle is a CHOICE - plain and simple. They have chosen to live the way they do - and therefore must accept the consequences. Period. If you ar a person who cannot live without lying, stealing or committing adultery - you have made that choice. AND - consequences must be accepted.

Sorry - no sympathy here. If you stand on Truth in all things - this is one Truth you have NO CHOICE in accepting. JK


15 posted on 04/06/2005 12:26:10 PM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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"Also, more than half of the transgender people I know are disowned by their families. They find themselves on the street getting by hustling drugs or being a prostitute. It's not because you want to but because you have no choice."

There is a choice - and that is the most irritating part of this entire issue. Everyone has his/her own cross to carry. An alternative lifestyle is a CHOICE - plain and simple. They have chosen to live the way they do - and therefore must accept the consequences. Period. If you ar a person who cannot live without lying, stealing or committing adultery - you have made that choice. AND - consequences must be accepted.

Sorry - no sympathy here. If you stand on Truth in all things - this is one Truth you have NO CHOICE in accepting. JK


16 posted on 04/06/2005 12:26:26 PM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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"Boy...you can tell how Kentuckians think! This Kentucky gal was just about to post the exact same thing!!! Way to go Hilltopper! JK"

They say great minds think alike! haha


17 posted on 04/06/2005 12:32:06 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: rface
I'm speechless at this whole thing.

Really, what's next? Maybe some people don't feel "comfortable" using a bathroom at all. I guess we have to let them do it in the street.

What about the concept of "civilization" or "society" being about having some minimal rules for behavior, for everyone's common benefit? Sorry to sound like such a party-pooper, but past a certain point unbridled "self-expression" leads to anarchy.

And in this case, is pretty darned gross.
18 posted on 04/06/2005 12:32:12 PM PDT by cvq3842
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Maybe we should just have one facility for everyone no matter what sex they are or think they are. It would be like the locker room scene on Starship Troopers.
19 posted on 04/06/2005 12:32:28 PM PDT by beeler ("When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me.")
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No, I didn't catch the "party-pooper" pun in time.


20 posted on 04/06/2005 12:32:57 PM PDT by cvq3842
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