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R.C. Sproul: Schiavo's Death Marks America's Move Toward 'Neo-Barbarism'
Agape ^ | Ap 5 05 | Allie Martin, Bill Fancher, and Jenni Parker

Posted on 04/05/2005 12:54:09 PM PDT by churchillbuff

A leading pastor and theologian says last week's state-sanctioned death of Terri Schiavo marks a turning point for America, and it is crucial for the Church in this country to wake up and mobilize against euthanasia and other signs of the times.

Author and Bible teacher Dr. R.C. Sproul is the founder and chairman of Ligonier Ministries. His teaching can be heard daily on the Renewing Your Mind radio broadcast on more than 300 radio outlets in the U.S. and throughout 60 countries. Recently his attention was focused, like that of much of the nation, on the tragic and disturbing events of the Terri Schiavo case.

After all that happened to the disabled Florida woman, particularly in the final weeks of her life, Sproul feels the Church in America needs to wake up and recognize the serious threat to life and liberty that is operating in the very midst of the nation's system of government.

"I think it's time to go back and read the Declaration of Independence again," the theologian says. "We have some serious problems with the fundamental structure of government in the United States, and there need to be some serious changes. And my prayer is that this is what happens."

What needs to take place, Sproul contends, is what often happens in the history of society faced with one or more pivotal occurrences like the killing of Terri Schiavo. "Cultures change, governments change, usually when a single event provokes a crisis," he says. "It brings matters to a head. But we have an ethical crisis in this country, one that's not going to go away, with respect to the sanctity of human life."

The Christian author and minister believes the manner of Terri Schiavo's death reflects changes that have taken place in American culture since the 1960s. He notes, "Many years ago, Harold Lindsell described American culture after the revolution of the 60s as a 'neo-pagan culture.' I think now what Terri Schiavo's death marks is the transition to a neo-barbarian culture."

Barbarians, according to various encyclopedia sources, are defined by sociologists as those social parasites who prey upon civilization, sometimes enslaving others or looting and plundering, in order to survive at others' expense. And according to Sproul, America's "civilization" is beginning to look more and more like that.

"I think that's where we are," the minister says. "We've become barbarians, because what we've just witnessed is the willful starving and dehydration of a living human being." And lamentably, he adds, even many Christians believed it was right for the state to sanction the brain-damaged Florida woman's death.

Sproul says the Church needs to rise to the occasion of this crisis and fulfill its role as the conscience of the nation, before it is too late. He is urging Christian citizens to take a stand against euthanasia -- against the barbaric "culture of death" that threatens to overwhelm the mainstream America's ethical sensibilities.

Taking Terri's Struggle Forward Take a stand -- that is exactly what many of those pro-life supporters who were involved in the fight to keep Terri Schiavo alive are trying to do now as they enter what they call "Phase Two" of their effort. At a Washington, DC, press conference last weekend at Capitol Hill, Pat Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition said those who fought to prevent the court-ordered starvation death of the disabled woman have moved on from the first part of their campaign -- designated "Terri's Voice" -- and are mobilizing in a new direction.

"The next part of the campaign is 'Never Again," Mahoney says, describing the effort to raise awareness about euthanasia, disability concerns, and other sanctity-of-life challenges, and to ensure that all disabled people are treated with dignity and respect.

"We're going to address these issues," the pro-life spokesman says, "and begin to take those first steps from the struggling and painful death of Terri into moving this forward in a positive way."

And one of the ways the Coalition plans to do this, he adds, is by addressing misinformation about the amount of public support for the court-ordered starvation of the 41-year-old hospice patient.

A number of mainstream media outlets have cited polls claiming most people favored the removal of Schiavo's feeding and hydration tube and also that a majority, by a wide margin, opposed a law mandating federal review of her case. But later this week, Mahoney says the Coalition will be unveiling what the group contends is a more accurate poll of the nation's views on the Schiavo case.

Now that Terri is gone, the Coalition members are concentrating their attention on the fight to honor Terri's memory by safeguarding against any similar tragedies in the future. "We must now work to ensure that this never happens again," Mahoney says, "that Terri's legacy will be remembered, and to ensure that all those with disabilities -- all the weakest in our society -- are protected."

Meanwhile, Terri's family and the volunteers of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation have vowed to focus the efforts of the Foundation that bears her name on assistance to other desperate families seeking to protect similarly vulnerable loved ones.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Florida; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blackthursday331; euthanasia; georgefelos; judicialhomicide; schiavo; sproul
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To: churchillbuff

Thank you for this post!

RC Sproul is a wonderful Bible teacher.

http://www.ligonier.org/ .....this is RC's web ministry site!

Lord! Thank You, for blessing Your people!


21 posted on 04/05/2005 1:30:34 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior)
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To: churchillbuff

bump


22 posted on 04/05/2005 1:30:41 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: agere_contra
And dehydration, perhaps an even more gruesome way to die than starvation.
23 posted on 04/05/2005 1:52:16 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: agere_contra
Yeah, what does it matter if Terri was starved to death for money? Jeez, these right-wing theocrats are such one-notes, am I right?

Yes, exactly.

24 posted on 04/05/2005 1:55:28 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: churchillbuff

Cheers for Dr. Sproul.


25 posted on 04/05/2005 2:02:07 PM PDT by JWinNC (www.webgent.com)
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To: ksen; xzins; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911

ksen, I thought Sproul believed in predestination as to all events, including the manner of Terri's death. care to comment?


26 posted on 04/05/2005 2:07:25 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: churchillbuff

27 posted on 04/05/2005 3:10:02 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: connectthedots
God knows what is going to happen...he is both omniscient and omnipotent..

Man is neither and thereby must operate under God's rules
for men

'Thou shalt not kill' being one rule
'Whatsoever you do to the least of these you do also unto me' being another rule -God the Son- gave mankind to obey...

hth

28 posted on 04/05/2005 3:11:53 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: churchillbuff

One of the most moving statements about the Terri Schiavo killing was made by Martin Katz (The American Thinker).


29 posted on 04/05/2005 3:16:45 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: balrog666

What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago.

No she wasn't ! Everything Functioned except that her thought process was very very slow dead NO ! handicapped YES !


30 posted on 04/05/2005 3:24:25 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: joesnuffy; ksen

I know that. I was trying to make a point with ksen that ksen beliueves that God predestined/foreordained the timing and manner of Terri's death.


31 posted on 04/05/2005 3:25:39 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: P8riot
"I think that if you read them objectively you would come to a different conclusion."

2 Pet. 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

32 posted on 04/05/2005 4:00:54 PM PDT by Ff--150 (But My God shall supply all your need)
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To: balrog666

> What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago.

And the evidence on which you're basing your position?

Is it from the few euthanasia-oriented doctors whose opinions JINO Greer preferred to believe in the decisional court hearing on that issue? I've read that was a 3-2 decision as to whether she was in the hard-to define and often misdiagnosed PVS condition. It most assuredly was not the position of at least 30 medical professionals who, post-judgment, voluntarily stepped forward to provide affidavits of medical facts in opposition. This much larger group of medical professionals felt sufficiently and profoundly concerned enough about what they believed was an inaccurate diagnosis. They urged first-time thorough testing to fully diagnose and know Terri's actual condition. But JINO Greer, HINO and Felos weren't about to permit derailment of their full-steam ahead effort to execute Terri, a disabled and legally-helpless woman. Both federal and Florida laws were violated to achieve this tragic result. This evil triumvir has never disclosed why they were so adamantly opposed to a complete battery of medical tests for Terri.

Yes, Terri was brain-damaged. It's been reported that not even HINO made the claim that she was brain-dead. One thing for sure, she was not dying before Greer's civil order of execution forced dehydration and starvation on her. That's what caused her death; not her brain-damaged condition. Had she been brain-dead, her body would have expired on it's own without Greer's order. PVS was the official position of Greer's ruling. I suggest you find and read Florida's definition of PVS. It's defined differently from brain-dead.

IMHO, you are free to take that position for yourself, but only for yourself. None of us have the moral right to impose such a final decision on another human. Stalin and the Communist party, Hitler and the Nazis, and countless other tyrannies throughout history held the same view. Since that's the position you've apparently chosen, your choice, but it's certainly not a distinguished group with which you're aligning yourself.


33 posted on 04/05/2005 4:15:35 PM PDT by l.tecolote (doing what I can from California)
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To: Ff--150; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg
What are you saying?! RC Sproul is a highly respected theologian. I personally think he is one of Christianity's most eloquent spokesmen.

Please refrain from slandering him!

keeper

"Remember this; or you may fall into error by fixing your minds so much upon the faith which is the channel of salvation as to forget the grace which is the fountain and source even of faith itself. Faith is the work of God's grace in us. No man comes to Me," says Jesus, "except the Father who sent Me draws him. . .Grace is the first and last moving cause of salvation; and faith, essential as it is, is only an important part of the machinery which grace employs. We are saved "through faith," but salvation is 'by grace.'"

CHARLES SPURGEON
34 posted on 04/05/2005 4:19:18 PM PDT by keeper53 ((www.monergism.com))
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To: churchillbuff
'Neo-Barbarism'

There's nothing "neo" about starving people to death. Hitler, Stalin, Mao did a much better job of it than Michael Schiavo or Judge Geer.

35 posted on 04/05/2005 4:23:05 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (America is not free anymore, the judicial oligarchy rules. Want proof? Ask Terri Schindler!!!!!)
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To: churchillbuff
Actually this is the not the first one. The Quinlan case was the first that involved court, but that was a little different. Then there was the Cruzan case that went to the Supreme Court and bounced back to the Missouri courts. In the Wendland case out in California, he died of pneumonia while they were still battling it out in court. I should have been paying more attention.

Terri is definitely the most high profile one and the most dastardly. It was slow and terrible. We musn't forget that they had done this to her twice before, and she must have suffered some ill effects during those attempts until the feeding tube was ordered restored.

BTW I just heard on the radio that her funeral mass was being said. May God rest her soul and give her family peace.

36 posted on 04/05/2005 4:24:42 PM PDT by Aliska (Theresa Marie Schindler, December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005, Never Forget)
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To: balrog666
"What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago."
Your statement is unfortunate. There is a room for disagreement among experts in the field regarding Terri's level of consciousness. PVS is misdiagnosed 40% of the time. On top of that, the are many other unresolved matters in the case which should have been resolved before Terri was dehydrated.
37 posted on 04/05/2005 4:40:55 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: churchillbuff
I deeply respect the thoughts and wisdom of RC Sproul...

..and he is spot on with this piece...

Thanks for the post.

38 posted on 04/05/2005 5:00:56 PM PDT by Guenevere (Sola Gratia)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Listening to the MSM I got a very different picture than the one I received for knowledgeable post here on FR[[

???

The media was practically salivating with Mike Schiavo for her to die....
But Felos was the worst...he looked like he was near ecstasy...eww.
tom
39 posted on 04/05/2005 5:32:45 PM PDT by tacomonkey2002 (a Stranger in a strange world)
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To: tacomonkey2002

http://www.euthanasia.com/page5.html

Everyone needs to see this site.
jmho
tom


40 posted on 04/05/2005 5:34:21 PM PDT by tacomonkey2002 (a Stranger in a strange world)
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