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UNNECESSARY EPIDEMIC Hidden Powerhouses Underlie Meth's Ugly Spread
The Oregonian ^ | April 3, 2005 | STEVE SUO

Posted on 04/05/2005 12:06:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: durasell

I told him he was a hostile SOB.


41 posted on 04/05/2005 12:55:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Damn! I thought it might have been something racey..


42 posted on 04/05/2005 12:57:10 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Travis McGee

That is a long story. Suffice to say that the system worked and this innocent bystander who was in the wrong place at the wrong time was never charged with anything. No harm, no foul.


43 posted on 04/05/2005 12:59:30 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Travis McGee
If foreign gangs are ramping up poison production to the sky, I'm not going to give them a pass.

But you'll excuse American gangs from doing so?

Just trying to be clear. Are you in favor of the WOD, or just jumping on a story because of your strong feelings against illegal immigration? Honest question.

44 posted on 04/05/2005 1:00:05 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Calusa

As a low residue solvent is my guess.


45 posted on 04/05/2005 1:00:08 PM PDT by kallisti
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To: durasell
That is to say -- if you wait for the problem to take care of itself, then you're going to have a real mess.

Like the War on Some Drugs isn't a real mess now?

The controlled substance laws make illicit drug manufacturing highly lucrative.

The controlled substance laws also empower goverrnment to grant medical monopolies, which is the exact reason we find ourselves in a medical cost crisis today.

I worked for a company that is the only legal manufacturer of bulk codeine, morphine, fentanyl, etc. during the eighties and nineties. During the mid-eighties to early nineties they multiplied their prices by 4 each year, for no reason other than that they are a monopoly.

Guess who paid that X4?

46 posted on 04/05/2005 1:01:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; cyborg
Anybody with a couple of semesters of college organic chemistry could probably set up a superlab if they were so inclined.

I plugged a particular term from this article into Google and got a white-paper-style instruction guide for assembly and operation of a superlab. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

47 posted on 04/05/2005 1:01:18 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I can't argue drug laws with you. Assume that I believe that drugs are bad and that the current laws should be enforced. However, painful experience has taught me that I'd rather go to Williamburg Brooklyn and argue bible verse with the Hasidim than drug laws with someone seeking descrimnalization.

Let me say this -- I have seen junkies up close. I've seen crack heads at their worst. I've seen folks in the midst of cocaine psychosis. And I've seen meth addicts. And in my opinion, meth addicts are the worst and most dangerous of the lot.


48 posted on 04/05/2005 1:04:37 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Petronski

From a single term? I'm a little surprised.


49 posted on 04/05/2005 1:08:07 PM PDT by null and void (innocent, incapacitated, inconvenient, and insured - a lethal combination for Terri...)
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To: Petronski
Was this it?


50 posted on 04/05/2005 1:08:09 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: durasell
And in my opinion, meth addicts are the worst and most dangerous of the lot.

Everything I have seen would confirm that, but the good news is they don't live very long once their teeth start to disintegrate from the battery acid they use to extract the pseudophedrine.

Anybody who would knowingly ingest anything manufactured with battery acid deserves whatever they get.

51 posted on 04/05/2005 1:10:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It's an addiction. The chemicals re-wire their brains in ways that it's not possible for someone on the outside to understand. During the crack days of the early 90s addicts (both male and female) would trade their children for the drug.


52 posted on 04/05/2005 1:13:11 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Assume that I believe that drugs are bad and that the current laws should be enforced.

Alcohol is the true gateway drug.

Most substance abusers start off with alcohol, and most substance abusers will abuse alcohol when they cannot obtain their substance of abuse of choice.

Was the repeal of Prohibition a mistake?

It's an honest question.

The underlying question is, is it ultimately possible to protect people from themselves?

I don't think it is. Evidently you do.

An honest disagreement, but the terms should at least be accurately defined.

53 posted on 04/05/2005 1:18:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: durasell
It's an addiction.

I understand that, but my statement that they get what they deserve stands.

Making excuses for addicts is enabling behavior.

54 posted on 04/05/2005 1:20:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Oh no you don't -- you're not sucking me into that swamp. I'd rather go on one of the Terri Schiavo or Evolution threads and take an opposing view... :)

My opinions, such as they are, I base on personal experience. I've lost many good friends to drugs and have a lot of friends who were never the same once they got through with re-hab.


55 posted on 04/05/2005 1:21:54 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: fishtank

A red x? No.


56 posted on 04/05/2005 1:22:00 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Travis McGee
Knew it was bad, but had no idea it was this bad.

No doubt the FROBLs/SOILs/CALs will find the solution for us.

57 posted on 04/05/2005 1:23:20 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No, no, no -- I don't make excuses. I try to understand the thing.

This is one of the critical misunderstandings of our age --people confuse trying to understand a thing with making excuses for the thing.


58 posted on 04/05/2005 1:23:49 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
This is one of the critical misunderstandings of our age --people confuse trying to understand a thing with making excuses for the thing.

Happens to me all the time.

Like earlier in this thread when Mr. McGee accused my of supporting meth manufacturing merely because I noted that these "superlabs" are hardly high-technology and just about anybody with two brain cells in a row and some glass-blowing expericence could set one up if they were so inclined.

You can understand addiction all you want, but the fact of the matter is that it boils down to human choice, the foundations of which are laid down long before the actual choice is made.

59 posted on 04/05/2005 1:36:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Travis McGee

I have no expertise or knowledege of this subject, even though last week I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express..but one thing makes me question the premise of the article. If, as is stated, the Mexican cartels control 90+% of the meth production, it seems to me it would be far easier, cheaper, and safer ( from from law enforcement) to manufacture it in Mexico and smuggle the finished product into the US


60 posted on 04/05/2005 1:37:44 PM PDT by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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