Minutemen find few migrants (Police in Mexico discouraging illegal crossings)

Arizona Daily Star ^

[Kokojmudd]

By Michael Marizco ARIZONA DAILY STAR

NACO, SONORA – A Mexican military Humvee moves across the cow pasture; soldiers nod at federal agents in bright orange shirts roving by on ATVs. An hour later, a Sonora State Preventive Police truck moves through a sandy wash, the officers looking for migrants waiting to sneak across the border.

Across the barbed-wire border in Arizona early Monday, excitement grips Minuteman Project volunteers when they observe a group of six people moving north.

Dan Russell, 62, watches the group walking toward him. "They're getting closer," he says. "They could just be reporters." They are.

In the first few days of the Minuteman Project, volunteers have been slowing illegal immigration into the Naco area.They've accomplished that with the help of an unlikely ally: Mexico.

Eager to avoid confrontations between volunteers and its people, Mexico is sweeping the area south of the Minuteman Project clear of migrants.

Gov. Eduardo Bours Castelo has placed 44 members of the new state police force across the border at La Morita, a cattle ranch that leads directly to the border south of Bisbee, said Diego Padilla the governor's Arizona representative.

The state police are working with Grupo Beta, Mexico's migrant protection force, which is plucking migrants out of the desert and depositing them in nearby Agua Prieta, where they are encouraged to wait before trying to cross.

"We are very crude with them; we tell them they may be shot, that there's rancheros out to stop them and hurt them," said Enrique Enriques Palafox, a Grupo Beta commander in Agua Prieta. The point is to terrify the migrants from the area so they won't cross illegally and encounter Minuteman volunteers, he said.

Sunday, the coordinated efforts of the military, Grupo Beta, and the new police force pulled 22 groups of migrants out of the ranch, Palafox said. By Monday, only a handful of people had to be told to go somewhere else.

Even as the Minuteman Project brought national attention to Cochise County's border woes, volunteers had few encounters with illegal entrants. But their presence has brought Mexican law enforcement to this part of the border, and that has had the effect of slowing illegal immigration.

Organizer James Gilchrist said Sunday that volunteers had reported 118 illegal entrants to the U.S. Border Patrol. There is no way to confirm that, because the agency's Tucson Sector says it doesn't keep track of Minuteman callers separately from normal calls from citizens about illegal border crossers.

Since Friday, when the protest started, there have been 78 citizen call-ins leading to the apprehension of 162 people, said Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame.

What Minuteman volunteers have succeeded in doing is setting off false alarms by tripping ground sensors on the border, he said.

"We're having to work around them instead of concentrating on the actual border where we need to work," Adame said.

The number of illegal entrant apprehensions at the Naco station has dropped.

U.S. and Mexican officials say it's because of Mexico's efforts.

Minuteman organizers say otherwise. "We're having an impact," Gilchrist said Sunday.

● Contact reporter Michael Marizco at 573-4213 or at mmarizco@azstarnet.com.

[ClintonBeGone]

I never made that contention. You did.

I never said you made that contention. I was simply correcting you.

[ClintonBeGone]

What was quite clearly stated is that Al Queda is targeting "soft" points of entry, like our Southern border, and that Middle Easterner's have been apprehended there. If we caught a few, then more have already gotten through.

Well if the Southern border was so 'soft' certainly one of the 9-1-1 terrorists would have used it as an entry point. Since NONE did, it leaves one to believe that #1, it is not a soft point and #2, there are probably easier ways to enter the US. That makes me wonder why so many still insist on focusing on our Southern border.

[harrowup]

Your repeating it does not make it true. Either post your own translation or STFU.

Correction: My repeating the fact that Travis lied most certainly does not make his lie a truth.

Your telling me to stfu is rather typical of liars, but since I'm a tolerant fellow you can take your lying arse over here and see for yourself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1377168/replies?c=39

Now, sit.

[harrowup]

This dead corpse seems to be suffering the bloat today.

Well past time for rigor-mortis.

[Dead Corpse]

You were correcting me on an assertion I never made? You really aren't even trying anymore.

[Dead Corpse]

Why would they have tried to sneak across the border when they could get student Visa's? Now that there is more scrutiny there, now they are looking at other ways to get here. Like our wide open southern border.

You can't be that stupid. No one can be who knows how to power up a PC.

[ClintonBeGone]

Time for the undertaker!

[Dead Corpse]

Still no translation. Travis did not lie. Get a life.

[Dead Corpse]

More ignorance from you. Yippy. Not sure why I expected more.

[harrowup]

Still no translation. Travis did not lie. Get a life.

Travis lied. He wrote:

"...the official Mexican government "HOW TO SNEAK INTO AMERICA" guide says, "don't run from the Border Patrol. They will just return you to the border for another try a few hours later."

I didn't bother to suggest that his title for the guide was a lie, simply because I liked the hyperbole.

My reply that you need translated:

"The guide suggests that the 'migrant' neither run from nor lie to the Border Patrol or any other legal authority. I have finished reading the entire 'comic book' and unless my browser is out of touch, there is no mention that the purpose of the border return is to facilitate another try."

The actual translation of the pertinent details:

DO NOT RUN FROM THE BORDER PATROL.

DO NOT LIE TO THE BORDER PATROL.

You will be returned to the border.

[harrowup]

Waaaayyyy too late; brain dead or comatose? Who decides?

[Dead Corpse]

You say: DO NOT RUN FROM THE BORDER PATROL.

Travis says: "don't run from the Border Patrol.

So... which one of you is lying? You really are pathetic.

Also, the comic does in fact state that detentions before being returned to the border are temporary. This, I assume, is to reassure illegals that they won't be encarcerated for the rest of their miserable lives like they could expect from their own government.

[Kokojmudd]

"The whole idea of 'terrorists' crossing the Mexican border is fictional hype. None of the 9-1-1 terrorists came to this country illegally. Again, I think its simply propaganda put out by those that don't care for anything or any body that origininates south of Brownsville."


This is all or nothing/either or/black or white type of thinking, or like the psychobabblers like to say "stinkin' thinkin."

CBG IMO that is the root problem of your argument, and is the reason you have created so much animosity. You insist on portraying those who disagree with you as anti-immigrant....."propaganda put out by those that don't care for anything or any body that origininates south of Brownsville"....etc. In a nation of immigrants don't you realize how offensive that is? Put aside your bigotry for a few moments and you may learn something.

[ClintonBeGone]

So you do agree that terrorism is a fictional reason for claiming we must 'crack down' on our borders?

[Dead Corpse]

Terrorism is a very real reason to "crack down on our borders". As is the drug trade. Human trafficking. Gang activity. Ect...

It's the Law. Enforce it.

[Dead Corpse]

Six Iraqi's detained on false passports trying to come through Mexico.

(sarcasm)But there is no reason to close our border with Mexico over terror war concerns. Right? (/sarcasm)

[Kokojmudd]

"So you do agree that terrorism is a fictional reason for claiming we must 'crack down' on our borders?"


What you said above is a misrepresentation of somebody else's opinion. Of course I do not agree with it.

CBG you are equivocating, prevaricating or whatever other $2 word there is to describe your replies.

I posted this news article and have been following it from the very beginning. I like a polite debate as much as anybody but you always duck the only issue where I strongly disagree with you. Border patrol, terrorism, Mexico, welfare state etc.....Since you don't know where I stand in those issues let's agree to agree and disagree on those issues.

Instead, let's talk about your offensive portrayal of those who call for tighter border security as anti-immigrant for a change. You have done this consistently throughout the thread. Every time I call you on it you run, hide, change the subject, throw out a Red Herring, or misrepresent a secondary issue.

So, CBG let's stay focused on the one area you refuse to explain. Let's talk about that for a change. What about the cryptic acronym MMK you keep using? What do you mean by that? Why are you afraid to explain MMK?

In the interest of progress please explain why you think so many are anti-immigrant and explain the MMK to the benighted. Thank you.

[Kokojmudd]

Six Iraqi's detained on false passports trying to come through Mexico.

(sarcasm)But there is no reason to close our border with Mexico over terror war concerns. Right? (/sarcasm)


Using the CBG logic there is no problem with terrorists crossing through Mexico until they commit a terrorist act. There is nothing to be concerned about until something goes boom. Anybody concerned about terrorists crossing the Mexican border is just anti-immigrant and don't care for nobody south of the border. Geeezz...I don't know how much more I can take. This must be what it is like to work at the state department!

[Kokojmudd]

Rush talking about this article right now. He says you are wrong and MMP is a big success. Please contact Rush ASAP and straighten him out pronto!!!


P.S. What is MMK?

[harrowup]

You say: DO NOT RUN FROM THE BORDER PATROL.
Travis says: "don't run from the Border Patrol.
So... which one of you is lying? You really are pathetic.
Also, the comic does in fact state that detentions before being returned to the border are temporary. This, I assume, is to reassure illegals that they won't be encarcerated for the rest of their miserable lives like they could expect from their own government

After five days and multiple demonstrations you still can't get it right? As previously stated you dissemble with great carelessness and incompetence. What are you, the class clown?

One of these days you knuckledragging Buchanalites are going to learn that context is the key to understanding.

Y'all selectively praise the constitution and simultaneously ignore those parts which don't suit your rabble-rousing mewling, just as you ignore complete sentences if they make you look foolish; belay that. You are dumber than a stump.

Travis lied.

All your huffing and puffing won't change that.

Oh, did I mention that Travis is a liar?

Now, sit, stay or run in traffic. You're on a short list of ankle-biters I can't be bothered with.