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Minutemen find few migrants (Police in Mexico discouraging illegal crossings)
Arizona Daily Star ^

Posted on 04/05/2005 8:34:29 AM PDT by Kokojmudd

By Michael Marizco ARIZONA DAILY STAR

NACO, SONORA – A Mexican military Humvee moves across the cow pasture; soldiers nod at federal agents in bright orange shirts roving by on ATVs. An hour later, a Sonora State Preventive Police truck moves through a sandy wash, the officers looking for migrants waiting to sneak across the border.

Across the barbed-wire border in Arizona early Monday, excitement grips Minuteman Project volunteers when they observe a group of six people moving north.

Dan Russell, 62, watches the group walking toward him. "They're getting closer," he says. "They could just be reporters." They are.

In the first few days of the Minuteman Project, volunteers have been slowing illegal immigration into the Naco area.They've accomplished that with the help of an unlikely ally: Mexico.

Eager to avoid confrontations between volunteers and its people, Mexico is sweeping the area south of the Minuteman Project clear of migrants.

Gov. Eduardo Bours Castelo has placed 44 members of the new state police force across the border at La Morita, a cattle ranch that leads directly to the border south of Bisbee, said Diego Padilla the governor's Arizona representative.

The state police are working with Grupo Beta, Mexico's migrant protection force, which is plucking migrants out of the desert and depositing them in nearby Agua Prieta, where they are encouraged to wait before trying to cross.

"We are very crude with them; we tell them they may be shot, that there's rancheros out to stop them and hurt them," said Enrique Enriques Palafox, a Grupo Beta commander in Agua Prieta. The point is to terrify the migrants from the area so they won't cross illegally and encounter Minuteman volunteers, he said.

Sunday, the coordinated efforts of the military, Grupo Beta, and the new police force pulled 22 groups of migrants out of the ranch, Palafox said. By Monday, only a handful of people had to be told to go somewhere else.

Even as the Minuteman Project brought national attention to Cochise County's border woes, volunteers had few encounters with illegal entrants. But their presence has brought Mexican law enforcement to this part of the border, and that has had the effect of slowing illegal immigration.

Organizer James Gilchrist said Sunday that volunteers had reported 118 illegal entrants to the U.S. Border Patrol. There is no way to confirm that, because the agency's Tucson Sector says it doesn't keep track of Minuteman callers separately from normal calls from citizens about illegal border crossers.

Since Friday, when the protest started, there have been 78 citizen call-ins leading to the apprehension of 162 people, said Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame.

What Minuteman volunteers have succeeded in doing is setting off false alarms by tripping ground sensors on the border, he said.

"We're having to work around them instead of concentrating on the actual border where we need to work," Adame said.

The number of illegal entrant apprehensions at the Naco station has dropped.

U.S. and Mexican officials say it's because of Mexico's efforts.

Minuteman organizers say otherwise. "We're having an impact," Gilchrist said Sunday.

● Contact reporter Michael Marizco at 573-4213 or at mmarizco@azstarnet.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; minutemanproject
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To: ClintonBeGone; All
Maybe there are not thousands that pass every day. There probably aren't even hundreds. Immigration is like global warming or population control - those with an agenda simply make up the numbers.

That's true. Those with an agenda DO simply make up the numbers. Your words above are a fine example of that.

141 posted on 04/05/2005 10:14:14 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: ClintonBeGone

Until you can make a trip to East L.A. - STFU


142 posted on 04/05/2005 10:14:17 AM PDT by GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos (Peace on earth! After major whup-a$$)
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To: ClintonBeGone

I'm not encouraging them, or did you miss my open support of the MMP? I want them to either come here legally, or not at all.


143 posted on 04/05/2005 10:14:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Getting back at least what they pay, just like anyone else that has SS taxes withheld. What is the problem with that?


How about we just keep it and consider it their fine for being here illegally in the first place?


144 posted on 04/05/2005 10:14:34 AM PDT by Sterco
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To: DoctorMichael

The Gov't of Mexico does not want to halt the illegals because American money is propping up the Mexican economy. I live in an agricultural town in Virginia. During the harvest season you see tons on migrant workers at money wiring places, sending that money home to Mexico.


145 posted on 04/05/2005 10:16:06 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: Kokojmudd

"Ok. You stated earlier that there is no illegal immigration problem. What unbiased sources led you to this conclusion?"

I've never believed there was an immigration 'problem'. I think immigration is good for the US, for it's people, and for the businesses that employ workers. The fact that the only ones that seem to be setting off the sensors are the MMK's themselves, tells me that my conclusion is right.


146 posted on 04/05/2005 10:16:55 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Spiff; ClintonBeGone
My point being firmly made, I'm done talking to the idiot and I hope that others now recognize him for the flame-baiting troll that he is. Cultural Jihad was banned for doing this same stuff the other day, hopefully Clintonbegone will meet with the same zot fate.

It is perfectly clear to anyone with an objective mind that you and your supporters are on the warpath and continuing to make up scurrilous charges.

Illegal entry into the United States from all quarters is a serious problem. Gilchrist is happy with his dog and pony show and the fourth place stringers are happy to interview the same guy five times, even between snacks.

Calling someone with a differing opinion on the subject a traitor and foreign agent is just waaaay over the line. That would be the editorial you .

147 posted on 04/05/2005 10:18:12 AM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: Dead Corpse

"If the BP wanted to keep their jobs, they'd understate the numbers to prove they are effective. Admitting to over 10 million getting by them is probably a serious "low balling" of the real numbers."

Look, no one is going to fire existing agents. What the BP union wants is MORE agents. MORE union members. MORE union dues. To do that it makes sense to create a storm of panic so some guy like Tancredo picks up the ball and tangles himself up in the union's spider web. They claim a problem that can only be solved by more agents. It's not that difficult to see their agenda.


148 posted on 04/05/2005 10:19:16 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

And I suppose you're going to tell me they are all here legally? You asked where I see them, I told you. I notice you skipped past my mention of Dearborn, where most of the illegals are arabic, not hispanic, and some have been found to be involved in terrorist activities.

Also, why did the MI legislature pass a law banning the issuance of driver licenses to illegal immigrants? Was it because we DON'T have an illegal immigrant problem?


149 posted on 04/05/2005 10:20:06 AM PDT by leoncaruthers
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To: harrowup
Calling someone with a differing opinion on the subject a traitor and foreign agent is just waaaay over the line. That would be the editorial you .

I don't know who called anyone a "traitor" or a "foreign agent". What are you talking about?

150 posted on 04/05/2005 10:20:09 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: DaGman

The last time I checked, the raison d'etre of the Minutemen is to protect our border, a.k.a. Homeland Security (yes, there is such a concept as "passive security"). I laud them for their efforts; I am not going to sit here at my keyboard and smugly denigrate their efforts with a few keystrokes.

You sound like a Liberal: if it's not going to work 100% the first attempt, then what's the use of trying at all?


151 posted on 04/05/2005 10:21:10 AM PDT by American in Singapore
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To: Dead Corpse

sitting on fat rear and eating pork rinds all day = 375#


152 posted on 04/05/2005 10:21:11 AM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: leoncaruthers
And I suppose you're going to tell me they are all here legally?

What I'm telling you is I can't tell from the look on their faces whether they're here legally or otherwise. I doubt you can either.

153 posted on 04/05/2005 10:21:56 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Spiff

FYI, it would seem that CJ is still around.


154 posted on 04/05/2005 10:23:14 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: leoncaruthers; Dan from Michigan
Also, why did the MI legislature pass a law banning the issuance of driver licenses to illegal immigrants? Was it because we DON'T have an illegal immigrant problem?

Well, to use your own logic, the Michigan legislature did NOT pass such a law - it was killed before Engler left - so, yeah, I guess we don't have a problem with immigrants in the state of michigan.

155 posted on 04/05/2005 10:23:29 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Spiff
Don't you read anything but your own hype? Your pals go around demanding to know the nationality of those of us who disagree with your tactics...and then imply that we must be agents of the Mexican government.

Paranoia or rabble rousing or stupidity or just plain old fashioned baiting which you enjoy so much we don't get to read your breathless prose from the front lines.

A bunch of drama queens at the opera waiting for the fat lady to sing...

156 posted on 04/05/2005 10:24:21 AM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: sdpatriot
sitting on fat rear and eating pork rinds all day = 375#

LOL MMK material, no?

157 posted on 04/05/2005 10:24:33 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

"I've never believed there was an immigration 'problem'. I think immigration is good for the US, for it's people, and for the businesses that employ workers. The fact that the only ones that seem to be setting off the sensors are the MMK's themselves, tells me that my conclusion is right."


I doubt that many on this thread think immigration is bad for the US. This is about illegal immigration. You seem to want to paint those opposed to illegal immigration as anti-immigrant. What is your agenda?

The liberal news media reports the Mexican police are discouraging illegal immigrants from crossing the border where the MMP is positioned. Could that be the reason there are less illegal immigrants crossing the border here in AZ? Or are we to trust your conclusions simply because you list the liberal news media as your only source of information?


158 posted on 04/05/2005 10:26:44 AM PDT by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: ClintonBeGone; leoncaruthers
leoncaruthers - "... If I want to see illegals I drive past apple orchards, cherry orchards ..."
ClintonBeGone - So in your mind anyone who works on a farm and is Hispanic is illegal?
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They must be illegals, since everyone from President Bush on down tell us that American citizens refuse to work under those conditions.
159 posted on 04/05/2005 10:26:50 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Kokojmudd
Border patrol accessory? In case firearms are confiscated.....

Note the DIMocrat states below:

"TASER energy weapons are not considered firearms. They can be legally carried (concealed or open) without permit required in 43 states.

TASER is not available for private citizen defense in DC, HI, MA, MI, NJ, NY, RI, & WI. Check local laws on carrying stun guns and non-lethal energy weapons.

Law enforcement weapons have some features, including extended range, not available for private use."

From: http://www.taser.com/self_defense/x26c_features.htm

160 posted on 04/05/2005 10:28:01 AM PDT by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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