Posted on 04/05/2005 7:31:18 AM PDT by clyde260
Why not, David? You spend the whole piece saying why he should bein prison but then you let him off the hook in the last paragraph.
If it was you, David, you'd be in prison waiting for the trial.
We have to start prosecuting these dishonest pols...losing their job isn't good enough.
I believe Clinton ordered Berger to destroy damaging evidence about his part in a coverup of the part Clinton played about terriorism. Again, they all get a pass.
Heck, Bush is taking Bill and Hillary to the Pope's funeral on the taxpayers' dime.
They can't afford an airline ticket?
They already have. Just look at events that have transpired since the Berger burglary. Bush I and Clinton on the Tsunami '05 World Tour, and now flying aboard Air Force 1 as part of the official US delegation for the Pope's funeral. You don't indict a man after you've treated him like royalty.
I hate to break it to you (ok, not really) but "fizzle and die"?
The man has pleaded guilty.
Read it and weep.
heheheheh
I say sentencing is set for July 8.
Stay tuned.
I don't think they are letting Berger off the hook. I think they want who Berger was taking documents and altering history for.
Correct.
I'm sorry...can you walk us through how the DOJ pressuring Berger to admit to intentionally committing the crime (counter to his earlier public pronouncements) and pressuring him to cooperate = "not pursuing this"?
Still on file at the National Archives.
Limbaugh is correct to note that the copies Berger took/destroyed contained margin notes and that was what he was seeking to conceal.
BUMP!
Or,
Perhaps the goal is to get all of the players (beyond mere old Sandy Berger) with airtight evidence.
I wish I could have the faith you have in the Bush administration. I don't. Too many issues badly/wrongly handled.
Just an opinion, but I'm with the crowd that believes this is in fact a mere slap on the wrist and pure CYA...
We shall see.
Well, someone once did call me Pollyanna.
Yes, that is my theory.
I respect your opinion and hope you are pleasantly surprised.
Good luck!
You are dreaming, imo, have another glass of............. whatever.
Burgler was the fall guy....... but the fall will not be far.
Clinton and Hillary are in the clear, and you folks who do not see this will have Hillary as your NEXT PRESIDENT!
This is more of the same..............Nearly everyone in the government is corrupt or compromised............. that is why they are there in the first place. That's the truth!
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Martha Stewart went to jail........... Sandy Fancy Pants gets a slap on the wrist............. give me a break...... this country is broken
But.................... Sandy is a sloppy guy, maybe it was just a sloppy, careless thing. ..... running the National Security Agency ................ give me a break!!!!
I posted this on another thread...
How would you like to be Bill Clinton's friend? The following is a list of dead people connected with Bill Clinton:
James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law Firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled suicide. He also had another 22 gunshot wound in the neck. The gunshot wound to the head was of larger caliber and found still in his hand!!
Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death, Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund-raising organization. Died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton's a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson. Died in May 1994. She was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide although there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co- defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.
Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater. Died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor. One of Clinton's last duties as Governor of Arkansas was to pardon Dan Lassater convicted on over a hundred drug charges.
Florence Martin - Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.
Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one-car accident.
Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.
Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington D.C. apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.
Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. Dr.
Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.
Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.
Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.
Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser. Died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:
Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988.
Keith McMaskle - Died of 113 stabbed wounds, November 1988.
Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Clinton_Scandals/dead_friends.htm
This list is years old now, but I still get a kick out of it.
I'm clicking my heels 3 times, and saying "I want to belive..." but I'm having serious doubts.
Now we find out that the Klintoons are accompanying the President to the Pope's funeral????
This statement begs the question then, where are the originals?
The problem is that the destroyed evidence may have been "copies", but they were likely UNIQUE copies because of the handwritten marginal notes. There may be a clean original draft, but Sandy got rid of all the working copies with his own or other's writing on them.
Liz: Ping to this thread too!
I am going to search every single day for Sandy Burglar stuff to keep this issue alive. I hope you don't mind me copying your response from another thread and posting it here, but I think it fits here as well, and the info you provide is good:
"We need to make very certain that we, the people, got something in return for Berger's plea deal. Like for whose benefit the documents were being stolen, when was the order given, who was involved in the conspiracy, and who knew about it .......
Cyncooper has pointed out that apparently Berger's plea deal is conditioned on Berger's "cooperation." This is what we demand to know:
(1) Have all the people who conspired with Berger been named and prosecuted?
(2) Did Berger actually destroy stolen docs--as he said---or are they being secreted for Berger's self-serving reasons: (a) for Hillary's campaign in exchange for Berger getting a political appointment, for (b) Berger's financial benefit in his oil consulting business, (c) to coverup 9/11?
(3) Berger admitted to stealing documents the Archives did not list as missing---what did he do with these? Is his plea deal conditioned on Berger returning these as well?
Here's where you can send your concerns about Berger's plea deal. This is the judge who will sentence Berger. Caution: phone nunber is a prosecutor's personal phone line - keep messages short and civil."
U.S. Magistrate Deborah Robinson
c/o US District Court
US Dept of Justice
Judiciary Center
555 4th Street NW
Washington, DC 20530
PHONE (202) 514-6933
Yeah, I love that list.
I'm 50 years old and I've known only one person in my life who has been shot (not killed) and two working associates who committed suicide.
Even a peripheral association with the Clintons will get you a bullet or cause you to commit suicide (be murdered). Absolutely amazing.
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