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Lockheed F/A-22 wins approval for full-rate output
Reuters ^ | Apr 1, 2005

Posted on 04/04/2005 3:24:43 PM PDT by Magnum44

Lockheed F/A-22 wins approval for full-rate output Fri Apr 1, 2005 01:42 PM ET

WASHINGTON, April 1 (Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F/A-22 stealthy fighter jet won approval for full-rate production from a key Pentagon panel this week, although it still faces major budget cuts under the Bush administration's fiscal 2006 budget plan.

The Pentagon's Defense Acquisition Board met on Tuesday and approved the results of a series of initial operational tests of the F/A-22, or "Raptor," clearing Lockheed to accelerate production of the aircraft, sources familiar with the decision said on Friday.

Pentagon spokeswoman Cheryl Irwin confirmed only that the meeting took place, but said a memorandum finalizing any decisions had not yet been approved or signed.

One source familiar with the matter said the move to full-rate production was a sort of "seal of approval" for the aircraft, which can fly at supersonic speeds for prolonged distances.

But the Raptor, developed during the Cold War to replace the F-15E as the country's top air superiority fighter, is due to be scaled back sharply under the administration's future budget plans.

Those plans call for the $71 billion program to be cut by $10.5 billion by through 2011, with the Air Force slated to get just 179 airplanes instead of the 276 currently planned -- and far less than the 381 planes it says it needs.

Air Force officials say they will lobby hard for some of those funds to be reinstated during a once-every-four-years review of major defense programs to start this year.

Lockheed shares were trading 15 cents higher at $61.21 in midday trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

Bank of America said in a note to investors that it expected a "lively debate" over the future of the program once the Quadrennial Defense Review got under way, but said it considered it "unlikely the Air Force will get its way with the Raptor."

Lockheed spokesman Tom Jurkowsky said the Bethesda, Maryland-based company had not yet received the results of the meeting, but said the aircraft performed "magnificently during its recently completed operational test and evaluation."

Proponents view the F/A-22 as vital for maintaining U.S. air superiority in future conflicts, but its costs have escalated and some Pentagon officials have questioned how much the aircraft is needed as U.S. forces confront low-tech enemies in Iraq and elsewhere.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: airforce; boeing; f22; fa22; lockheedmartin; miltech; raptor
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Is that a real picture of the FB- 22 ? or just a modified picture ?

Are you serious? The F/A-22 prototypes are actual flying. The F/B-22 is just an artists rendering, because at this point it is just a concept.

41 posted on 04/04/2005 10:20:58 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
It looks like they can still use the nose section on the F 22 for the FB - 22 to save development cost for the FB - 22.

That's pretty much the whole point. The USAF is talking about buying just 50 or so of the F/B-22. It would be very hard to justify 50 planes that are designed from the ground up. A 50 plane derivative is enouogh to be worthwhile while being profitable for the manufacturer.

42 posted on 04/04/2005 10:24:36 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Pukin Dog
The F - 22 pilot can see his adversaries at least ( correct me if I am wrong ) 250 miles away, and can see his adversaries before they can see him, and launch weapons from 250 miles away ( launch and forget , on to the next target ) and they will never know what hit them.
Even though the F - 22 is very capable of a dog fight, it is not necessary with the F - 22 because the pilot ( hopefully ) will be able to take out his adversaries before there is a need for a dogfight.
43 posted on 04/04/2005 10:34:53 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Paleo Conservative
ouch..... that would hurt.... lol.
44 posted on 04/04/2005 10:41:10 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I meant the picture of the FB - 22.
Then again,, never mind, lol... the FB - 22 is not even in production ( officially... that is .... one can only guess .. right ? ).
45 posted on 04/04/2005 10:45:00 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
YF-23


46 posted on 04/05/2005 8:10:03 AM PDT by FoxInSocks
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

The F-22 was superior in low speed maneuver, and projected cost.

The F-23 was superior in range, RCS, Speed, payload, and high altitude maneuver.

At high speed, you are G limited, and rather small wings are adequate for more turn rate than you can stand.


47 posted on 04/05/2005 9:37:54 AM PDT by donmeaker (Burn the UN flag publicly.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I doubt that they will do the FB-22, too much money ... look at the F-16xl, great plane, but not worth the effort.
The plane that I think stands a chance of not going anywhere is the F-35. Probably get a few, and then as air superiority is achieved, switch to A-10s. The F-35 can't carry alot as is.


48 posted on 04/05/2005 2:18:13 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: brooklin

The F-35 is planned to be a low observable the first couple days of the war while SAMs and bandits are a factor. Once air superiority is achieved you add external pylons and turn it into a bomb truck. STOVL versions will still be limited in payload, but CTOL variants shouldn't be.


49 posted on 04/05/2005 9:40:53 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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