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1 posted on 04/04/2005 2:08:39 PM PDT by Pokey78
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Steyn ping!


2 posted on 04/04/2005 2:10:00 PM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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Mark Steyn:

"It requires tremendous will to cling to the splendour of truth when the default mode of the era is to blur and evade."

Excellent turn of phrase.

The Late Pope:

"Thus the original import of human sexuality is distorted and falsified, and the two meanings, unitive and procreative, inherent in the very nature of the conjugal act, are artificially separated."

Worth remembering and repeating.


7 posted on 04/04/2005 2:17:02 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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"Progressive" is a phrase to hide a meaning. To be "progressive" really means to move as far away from the rules of God as possible. They want a world that follows the darkest side of man's desires. They would love to see a Pope elected that shares their vision. They want a pope that isn't afraid to get a little mud on himself. Maybe, to help "progressives" realize their wettest dream, we can find an atheist Pope.
9 posted on 04/04/2005 2:25:15 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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11 posted on 04/04/2005 2:25:47 PM PDT by federal
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Steyn always gets it.
Thanks.
15 posted on 04/04/2005 2:48:43 PM PDT by metesky (If ya can't take the cyber heat, stay out of the freakin' cyber kitchen!)
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Steyn ping!

...I'd be a little irked at the secular media's inability to discuss religion except through the prism of their moral relativism.

I've got to remember this. It says it all.

18 posted on 04/04/2005 3:06:57 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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Thank for "Steyning" my Monday!


19 posted on 04/04/2005 3:08:14 PM PDT by bubman
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Ping!


23 posted on 04/04/2005 3:12:04 PM PDT by Siobhan († John Paul the Great, Apostle of the Gospel of Life, pray for us. †)
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When a free man enjoying the blessings of a free society promotes an equivalence between real democracy and a sham, he's colluding in the great lie being perpetrated by the prison state.

Worthy of an essay in itself - heck, a whole book.

Many - not all - of the defenders of such enthusiasms as abortion and gay marriage have as their ideological underpinning a religious belief in the inevitable direction of history, which is why "progressives" tend only to view progress in one dimension. This is one of several "gifts" to current political culture from one Karl Marx.

In point of simple fact, no one was more progressive in terms of being a causative agent of change in the 80's and early 90's than the late Pope unless his name was Ronald Reagan. This has contemporary progressives grinding their molars to a powder but it happens to be a fact. Much of the venom we are seeing at the moment from the unclean pens of the Guardian and the NY Times is a result of a political class certain that it was the future watching the real future marching off in an unexpected and decidedly unapproved direction. It's a bitterness with which I find it impossible to sympathize.

25 posted on 04/04/2005 3:23:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Another important excerpt:

Thoughtful atheists ought to be able to recognise that, whatever one's tastes in these areas, the Pope was on to something - that abortion et al, in separating the "two meanings" of sex and leaving us free to indulge in one while ignoring the other, have severed us almost entirely and possibly irreparably from traditional impulses, such as societal survival. John Paul II championed the "splendour of truth" not because he was rigid and inflexible, but because he understood the alternative was a dead end in every sense.

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An argument that cannot be refuted.

26 posted on 04/04/2005 3:24:29 PM PDT by maica
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Dead on, as usual.

You don't even have to agree with John Paul II on everything to see the wisdom in his writings and statements.


28 posted on 04/04/2005 3:42:25 PM PDT by Lorianne
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You da man Pokey.

FMCDH(BITS)

29 posted on 04/04/2005 3:53:42 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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Steyn is magic.


30 posted on 04/04/2005 3:56:14 PM PDT by chatham
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Thanks for this post.

A priest I know is from Croatia. After talking with him and other Catholics from Eastern Europe, I believe that we as Americans really have a different perspective.

Folks from Eastern Europe say that the Pope along with President Reagan helped to "set them free" (one person used that phrase). Those people will always remember what the Pope and President Reagan (among others) did for them.


31 posted on 04/04/2005 4:06:55 PM PDT by Fury
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...man, so why be the last squaresville daddy-o on the block?

Hey! That's me!

FMCDH(BITS)

32 posted on 04/04/2005 4:07:52 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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"...the Guardian, for example, has already been touting the Nigerian Francis Arinze as "candidate for first black pope". This would be news to Pope St Victor, an African and pontiff from 189 to 199."

Well, to nitpick, being African doesn't make one a black necessarily. I'd be willing to bet that Pope St Victor was not black.

33 posted on 04/04/2005 4:10:06 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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Yikes, Mark at his best!

Thanks for the post!!
39 posted on 04/04/2005 4:28:49 PM PDT by e5man_r_u? (A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
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"If his beloved Europe survives in any form...." I go to Poland twice a year. Poland will survive with its European culture, because most there hold the same values John Paul II held. Western Europe is another matter entirely. It has embraced the culture of death.
41 posted on 04/04/2005 5:19:24 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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"Why progressive Westerners never understood John Paul Ii."

There should be an addition to that saying, " ...and why they never will. "

44 posted on 04/04/2005 5:29:59 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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The Pope's legacy will outlast the impatient trendiness of liberal secularists. What's cool today is a dud tomorrow and so forth. I don't expect secular societies to survive more than a generation. Mark Steyn's right; the late Pope will have the last laugh. Absolute standards and eternal values matter because they last forever.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
46 posted on 04/04/2005 6:48:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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