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Lives of the Saint: Britain’s lowly Guardian writes its own obituary. (Thoroughly trashes JPII)
National Review ^ | April 4, 2005 | Denis Boyles

Posted on 04/04/2005 9:31:01 AM PDT by quidnunc

At any given time in human history, there are always among us great men and women whose lives pass before us like magnificent spectacles, fabulous morality tales, heroic epics. None of them, however, appear to write for the Guardian.

At the best of times, the Guardian in full-rant is rarely burdened with good sense or good taste. Its twisted left-wing moralizing is often absurdly Pythonesque, sans laughs, and dully predictable, so most Britons shrug it off and buy another paper instead. But today’s issue puts the limbo pole of editorial wisdom flat on the ground and still manages to wiggle under it: There is apparently something about the death of John Paul II that has driven the paper mad. Crazy, too.

Take, for example, Terry Eagleton’s nasty obituary describing the pope as a "political operative" and a criminal with "blood on his hands." This kind of talk might seem a bit hyperbolic even for a well-known "professor of cultural theory." Still, being a cultural theorist only partly explains this kind of anti-cultural insight: "The Pope's authority was so unassailable that the head of a Spanish seminary managed to convince his students that he had the Pope’s personal permission to masturbate them…" The bloody hands? The result of the pope’s refusal to endorse condoms as a way of preventing AIDs in Africa. Never mind that distributing cheap condoms is a great way to encourage the kind of behavior that leads to AIDs. To Eagleton, John Paul II’s disinclination to ditch church teaching is tantamount to slaughter. "The Pope goes to his eternal reward with those deaths on his hands. He was one of the greatest disasters for the Christian church since Charles Darwin." Darwin? You’d think the pope had banned DDT or something.

Oh well, if you need more, the Guardian obliges: It takes two women — Sandra Laville and Suzanne Goldenberg — to point out what a terrible disappointment the pope has been to gay-rights activists, stem-cell researchers, feminists, abortionists, and disgruntled, liberal Catholics who don’t go to church. The paper’s editorial points out the "incomprehension and loathing" John Paul II inspired — and adds a little incomprehension of its own: "More divisive was his concept of a ‘culture of death’ as he lambasted both the death penalty and abortion, which alienated many potential allies for social justice."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
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The Pope Has Blood On His Hands
The Pope did great damage to the church, and to countless Catholics

John Paul II became Pope in 1978, just as the emancipatory 60s were declining into the long political night of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. As the economic downturn of the early 70s began to bite, the western world made a decisive shift to the right, and the transformation of an obscure Polish bishop from Karol Wojtyla to John Paul II was part of this wider transition. The Catholic church had lived through its own brand of flower power in the 60s, known as the Second Vatican Council; and the time was now ripe to rein in leftist monks, clap-happy nuns and Latin American Catholic Marxists. All of this had been set in train by a pope — John XIII — whom the Catholic conservatives regarded as at best wacky and at worst a Soviet agent.

What was needed for this task was someone well-trained in the techniques of the cold war. As a prelate from Poland, Wojtyla hailed from what was probably the most reactionary national outpost of the Catholic church, full of maudlin Mary-worship, nationalist fervour and ferocious anti-communism. Years of dealing with the Polish communists had turned him and his fellow Polish bishops into consummate political operators. In fact, it turned the Polish church into a set-up that was, at times, not easy to distinguish from the Stalinist bureaucracy. Both institutions were closed, dogmatic, censorious and hierarchical, awash with myth and personality cults. It was just that, like many alter egos, they also happened to be deadly enemies, locked in lethal combat over the soul of the Polish people.

Aware of how little they had won from dialogue with the Polish regime, the bishops were ill-inclined to bend a Rowan-Williams-like ear to both sides of the theological conflict that was raging within the universal church. On a visit to the Vatican before he became Pope, the authoritarian Wojtyla was horrified at the sight of bickering theologians. This was not the way they did things in Warsaw. The conservative wing of the Vatican, which had detested the Vatican Council from the outset and done its utmost to derail it, thus looked to the Poles for salvation. When the throne of Peter fell empty, the conservatives managed to swallow their aversion to a non-Italian pontiff and elected one for the first time since 1522.

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(Terry Eagleton in The Guardian, April 4, 2005)
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1 posted on 04/04/2005 9:31:02 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

I wonder what the Grauniad's circulation figs are in comparison with its peers. Still, their attitudes seem to fit many in today's UK unfortunately.


2 posted on 04/04/2005 9:35:22 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: quidnunc
I wonder why the Marxist Eagleton would dislake Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher?
4 posted on 04/04/2005 9:39:00 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (When did Michael Schiavo hire Baghdad Bob to represent him?)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

dislake=dislike


5 posted on 04/04/2005 9:40:34 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (When did Michael Schiavo hire Baghdad Bob to represent him?)
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To: bicyclerepair

Try the DUmmie alternate universe. As for now, I've reported this post to the mods.


6 posted on 04/04/2005 9:42:00 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (When did Michael Schiavo hire Baghdad Bob to represent him?)
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To: 1066AD
1066AD wrote: I wonder what the Grauniad's circulation figs are in comparison with its peers. Still, their attitudes seem to fit many in today's UK unfortunately.

As of last year, The Guardian's daily circulation was about 345,000.

But that doesn't tell the whole story since it marches almost in lockstep with the BBC.

The two of them are force multipliers for each other.

7 posted on 04/04/2005 9:43:38 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

Terry and his fellow liberal pirates have a bad case of the red#%s because they just figured out how few people would bother to show up for their funerals in light of their leaving no legacy (OK, I admit it's really hard for nihilists to leave a legacy) in comparison to the well beloved John Paul.


8 posted on 04/04/2005 9:44:31 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker

Sick, sick people.


9 posted on 04/04/2005 9:50:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: quidnunc
All of this had been set in train by a pope — John XIII

... who died in 972. Well, this is at least a remarkably broad historical analysis. Maybe it was pressure from the Holy Roman Emperor which led to Vatican II.

10 posted on 04/04/2005 9:51:30 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: quidnunc
Oh horse shite. You just want to believe that recycled garbage because it suits your anti-British agenda.

And lest I be accused of speaking out of turn, once again, the proof you are petty bigot.

Ivan

11 posted on 04/04/2005 9:54:12 AM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: quidnunc

If anyone did not realize what a left-wing hate rag the Guardian is, this removes all doubt. PJPII was a beloved man, and to attack him so viciously on his death is in unbelievably bad taste.


12 posted on 04/04/2005 9:57:45 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: quidnunc
. . . Terry Eagleton’s nasty obituary describing the pope as a "political operative" and a criminal with "blood on his hands."

This is the most despicable and disgusting vitriol I have ever seen about someone as kind, compassionate and caring as Pope John Paul II.

Who peed in Eagleton's Cheerios to cause him to write such hatred?

I'm not Catholic, but I have great respect and admiration for a Pope who was, without a doubt, one of the best in recent history, if not ever.

It is the mark of true cowardice to write such scatalogical remarks about someone who can no longer defend themselves or refute the comments.

I sincerely hope that by its own words, the Guardian has truly written its own obituary. The one intended for the Pope is unworthy of the newsprint in which it appeared.
13 posted on 04/04/2005 9:58:18 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MadIvan
MadIvan wrote: Oh horse shite. You just want to believe that recycled garbage because it suits your anti-British agenda. And lest I be accused of speaking out of turn, once again, the proof you are petty bigot.

Are you saying that, figutatively speaking, The Guardian and the BBC aren't kindred spirits?

If so, somewhere on my old computer I have a couple of op/eds from British papers which talk about this.

I could go ferret them out if it were worth my while, which it isn't.

I'm beginning to get the notion that your problem over in the UK is not so much a matter of Little England, but of little Englishmen.

14 posted on 04/04/2005 10:09:41 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: MadIvan

Thanks for posting that damning indictment. I've been on the receiving end of Quidnunc before as well.

Enjoyed Mr. Patel's wittering on that thread as well. Pity he's been zotted.


15 posted on 04/04/2005 10:12:52 AM PDT by propertius
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To: quidnunc
The Guardian and the BBC aren't kindred spirits?

Yes they are. No arguments there. Don't anybody start a flame war on this thread please.

16 posted on 04/04/2005 10:21:54 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: quidnunc

That's not what you said - you spouted this crap about them being a force multiplier, as if to damn the British nation more widely. You've done your level best to try and suggest we're all a bunch of anti-American brainwashed robots, a thesis which falls down as soon as one sees who is doing the fighting and the dying alongside Americans. And for what - to what end are you pursuing this bigotry - as the link I posted shows, it's because someone hurt your feelings on some board you visited.

Little Englishmen? Hardly. Your character is so small not even an electron microscope could discern it. All that is great about you is the levels of bile you generate in the pursuit of your relentless xenophobia.

Ivan


17 posted on 04/04/2005 10:29:49 AM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: agere_contra

I've absolutely had enough of his bigotry. And as the link shows, he's doing this out of pure, petty spite. Enough!


18 posted on 04/04/2005 10:30:27 AM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan
MadIvan wrote: I've absolutely had enough of his bigotry. And as the link shows, he's doing this out of pure, petty spite. Enough!

Well, MI, I'm bound to tell the truth.

To steal a line from Harry Truman, I'm not giving Brits hell, I'm just telling the truth and you think it's hell.

19 posted on 04/04/2005 10:44:02 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Well, MI, I'm bound to tell the truth.

Spare me the martyr act. The link I posted shows what you're doing and why.

To steal a line from Harry Truman, I'm not giving Brits hell, I'm just telling the truth and you think it's hell.

It's hardly hell. You're spouting rubbish. The problem is the uninitiated may think you're some sort of expert, because you post links from foreign newspapers. It's my pleasure to tell the truth of living here - something which you haven't a clue about.

Secondly, there's a principle involved - bigotry is there to be stood up to and stood against. Bigotry as petty, petulant and frankly, as disgusting as yours is there to be shown up for what it is.

Ivan

20 posted on 04/04/2005 10:47:28 AM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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