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The Elephant in the Living Room
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 04 April 2005 | Michael R. Bowen

Posted on 04/04/2005 9:12:57 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: robertpaulsen

I'm still praying for you. Does that scare you?


41 posted on 04/04/2005 5:45:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
"I'm still praying for you. Does that scare you?"

Depends. What are you praying for?

42 posted on 04/04/2005 6:00:10 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I've heard that judge Greer is deaf.

Can anyone verify?

43 posted on 04/04/2005 6:04:58 PM PDT by nightdriver
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I believe he is legally blind, not deaf ... but he does seem to have a very large deaf ear where new evidence and affidavits would call his prior rulings into question. But then, most judges have a similar ear.


44 posted on 04/04/2005 6:11:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Since when is hearsay, clear and convincing evidence?


45 posted on 04/04/2005 6:12:05 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: Lesforlife
"Since when is hearsay, clear and convincing evidence?"

You're mixing apples and oranges.

In Florida, oral wishes are admissible in a court of law ever since the 1990 decision of In Re Guardianship of Browning.

"Browning, in other words, was Florida's Cruzan. And it went further than Cruzan did, to recognize in so many words that the right to have life support disconnected was a (state) constitutional right."

"Significantly, in the Browning case, the Florida Supreme Court found that the right attaches, so long as "the patient has expressed his or her desires in a 'living will,' through oral declarations, or by the written designation of a proxy to make all health care decisions in these circumstances."

Florida law requires the judge to have "clear and convincing" evidence as to the wishes of the patient.

46 posted on 04/04/2005 6:45:56 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Biased yes, interested, not so sure.

I wouldn't rely on the St. Petersburg Times for much of anything. It's left of the New York Times and just as accurate.


47 posted on 04/04/2005 7:03:02 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Rest in Peace, Holy Father)
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To: MHGinTN
"... but he does seem to have a very large deaf ear where new evidence and affidavits would call his prior rulings into question."

No foolin'.

He's a disgrace to the cloth and, from the looks of things, guilty of premeditated murder in the first degree.

48 posted on 04/04/2005 7:26:11 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: robertpaulsen

Michael either forgot, or he lied under oath when he said that he had promised Terri he'd take care of her for the rest of his life. He said he needed money to pay for his education to become a nurse, so that he could keep his vow to Terri that he would take care of her for the rest of his life. Which is it? Did he forget, or did he lie?


49 posted on 04/05/2005 12:16:19 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler - http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: robertpaulsen

Slavery used to be up to each state too. If we no longer consider ownership of humans to be a state issue, why should extermination of humans be a state issue?


50 posted on 04/05/2005 12:18:14 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler - http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: robertpaulsen

Terri's best friend testified in favor of Terri, not against her. Michael's brother's wife was not Terri's best friend. Michael claims she was, because that suits his purpose. The Saint Pete Times supports Michael. They reported many of his claims as if they were facts. Biased? Absolutely!


51 posted on 04/05/2005 12:37:44 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler - http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nightdriver

He's legally blind. He wasn't able to see the videos of Terri responding. The sound was never played in court, so he didn't hear the doctor telling her what a good job she was doing. Some of the most compelling evidence in Terri's favor was never seen or heard by any court. When President Bush signed into law the provisions that would allow Terri to finally have her day in court, advocates of involuntary euthanasia derided the law, claiming it deprived Terri of her right to be starved and dehydrated to death whether she wanted to be or not. They brag that hundreds of patients per week are exterminated under similar circumstances, with little or no fanfare. Yet they have the audacity to take issue with comparisons to the Nazi euthanasia program that they brag about emulating. Go figure.


52 posted on 04/05/2005 12:48:33 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler - http://www.terrisfight.org)
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He did take care of her. When the 1996 CAT scan showed that Terri was brain damaged with no hope of recovery, he set about fulfilling her wish not to live that way.


53 posted on 04/05/2005 3:48:49 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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He took care of her all right. Just not the way the jury thought he would. They must have been misled by that "for the rest of my life" statement. I guess what he really meant was "I'll take care of that bitch if it takes me the rest of my life." He sure did.


54 posted on 04/05/2005 3:52:51 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler - http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
"If we no longer consider ownership of humans to be a state issue, why should extermination of humans be a state issue?"

One of life's mysteries.

55 posted on 04/05/2005 3:55:37 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: BykrBayb
"They must have been misled by that "for the rest of my life" statement."

The statement is 100% true either way.

So you're saying that, during the trial, Michael should have known (or did already know) that Terri was brain damaged beyond hope of anything resembling recovery. That he knew he wouldn't be needing any of that money for her care. That she wouldn't partially recover her brain functions, forcing him to spend thousands on her rehabilitation?

That is what you're saying?

But if that's true, why wait until 1997 to do something about it? He had the money in 1993. Why wait?

56 posted on 04/05/2005 4:08:29 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Hmmmm, it logically follows (as the Hemlock radicals maintain--more or less) that we ought to issue every depressed person a loaded revolver, since its a lot cheaper to society than meds or counseling. Besides some people are just a burden to everyone else in their life--family, friends and all.

After all, if they blow their head off, its their decision, and who am I (or the law) to stand in their way, eh?

NOT!!!!

Who's life is it anyway?

It has to be Who gave you life to begin with.


57 posted on 04/05/2005 4:10:10 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Tailgunner Joe
There are times and places in History, throughout the Course of Human Events, where once good neighbors, family and friends, law-abiding and orderly become mortal enemies, This is one, or may well be.

For to protect our own lives under possible future adverse circumstance -- or the lives of our children (the case of the Schindlers) -- the Judges, the medical workers and civil authorities who would allow Murder by Judicial Order to occur have become our mortal enemies.

58 posted on 04/05/2005 4:15:17 PM PDT by bvw
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To: AnalogReigns
"Who's life is it anyway?"

Ah. So Living Wills and Durable Powers of Attorney are just scraps of paper to you, huh?

59 posted on 04/05/2005 4:15:18 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Wasn't Browning another victim of Greer's judicial homicide?


60 posted on 04/07/2005 7:58:01 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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