Posted on 04/04/2005 8:06:29 AM PDT by tessalu
Vice President Cheney says he opposes revenge against judges for their refusal to prolong the life of the late Terri Schiavo, although he did not criticize House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) for declaring that they will "answer for their behavior."
Cheney was asked about the issue on Friday by the editorial board of the New York Post. He said twice that he had not seen DeLay's remarks, but the vice president said he would "have problems" with the idea of retribution against the courts. "I don't think that's appropriate," he said. "I may disagree with decisions made by judges in any one particular case. But I don't think there would be much support for the proposition that because a judge hands down a decision we don't like, that somehow we ought to go out -- there's a reason why judges get lifetime appointments."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
WoW incredulous, YOu said it SO WELL!!!!!! this is exactly where we are at. Did you see the article on RCSPROUL here today? America needs a old fashioned revival. It will need to begin in the hearts and homes of the church first, and then spread outward into our land. We are going to have to face facts here or lose the entire nation to satan and his minions!!!
Well, yeah,...and thanks, Polly.
I will look at the article that you mention.
I teach 5th grade, and as confusing as this whole ordeal may be for you and I - adults - Terri's death is especially confusing to 10 and 11 year olds. It's morally confusing and spiritually confusing to my children; "Why would God let this happen to these good people. I tell them to look for the mystery in the "the greater good" of Terri's life and death. There would appear to be NO meaning in her senseless death right now, but I think a reason, and a response, will be apparent in the near future - and it's going to be more than just people preparing living wills to avoid similar circumstance. In this her death will serve a greater purpose.
Additionally, it seems that Terri's plight has brought together a diverse groups of people; Christians of every stripe and flavor, Jews, as well as a good many "not necessarily spiritual" and even "unreligious" folk who can tell the difference between right and wrong. Again, Terri is serving a greater purpose.
We need to remain bound together, despite our diversity, that we may serve this greater purpose. Certainly, Felos,...er, I mean,...the evil one, knows this weakness and will try to exploit it to his advantage.
As you say, "in the hearts and the homes",...let it begin.
My point is well made with your last comment. I didn't say anything about Cheney being part of a 'conspiracy.' Nor did I say anyone else was. But being a few bricks short of a load you found it in my original comment anyway.
Isn't that the truth!?!
How the conspiracy grows! First it was just the Florida Judiciary, then it was ...
Using heresay evidence as fact in a life and death trial does not seem to be 'following the law'?????
It seems to be against the law in Florida for one.
765.309 Mercy killing or euthanasia not authorized; suicide distinguished.--(1) Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act or omission to end life other than to permit the natural process of dying.
(2) The withholding or withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures from a patient in accordance with any provision of this chapter does not, for any purpose, constitute a suicide.
History.--s. 4, ch. 92-199.
Excellent post.
You're right, you never used the word "conspiracy", to me though, you implied it numerous times either by words or silence in response to various posts.
The government has moved from assuming the authority to take a citizen's life without due process
The President the Congress and the people have found no fault with that made no substantial complaint about it and there now exists no place to file a complaint.
The Executive and Legislative branches, on all levels, has ceded power to the Judicial branch.
Your world seems so hopeless and dark, I'm glad I don't share your views on the state of our nation. You appear to see evil in the hearts of most of our judiciary. I just don't agree with you.
Isn't that the truth!?!
LOL! You got me, I tried to respond to sarcasm in kind when I shouldn't have. I doubt I could ever be as sarcastic as you are and shouldn't try. Sarcasm is used as a tool to mock or belittle someone and I'll try not use it anymore. I apologize.
It was a simple point; none of them can claim to be ignorant of or broadsided by what just happened. But it isn't hard for someone with experience manipulating information for a living to spin a simple point into a 'grassy knoll' theory.
There isn't much need to ask why someone would do that. All you need to know is the logical outcome of the events under discussion and the position the spin protects.
Too make such a blanket statement is flat out wrong. Too claim ALL have been contacted, or that "none can claim ignorance" is misleading. Too you the Shiavo case appears to be one of the major issues of the last several years. Regardless of the media circus surrounding this event, there are many people, politicians included, who know or care little about Terry Shiavo. Good or bad, that's the way it is.
My world is anything but dark. But hope is like fear, it is based on emotions that create expectations of what might be not what is, so I leave hope and fear to the superstitious. It requires making too many biased assumptions.
I'm glad I don't share your views on the state of our nation.
Your examples of my "view" are based on the assumption that I see some coordinated conspiracy. That seems to be your bias towards me.
You appear to see evil in the hearts of most of our judiciary. I just don't agree with you.
Evil exists in the hearts of every human being. My view of the judiciary in this country is based on rulings they have made and opinions they have written. I don't recall stating a percentage of them I disagree with or using any adjectives indicating how many. It was more than enough to railroad Terri's right to life, due process and equal justice under the law. Enough to shut the President and Congress up and dissuade them from doing anything that might be called an error on Terri's behalf.
I am glad to be in the company of Robert Bork, Roy Moore, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Judge Tom Parker, among many others, who think the judiciary has exceeded its Constitutional mandates. My three statements, which you quoted, remain as apparent statements of fact as to what is. They accurately reflect what has just happened, not my desires or fears. Things may change but it is not a leap of faith to say that change will be harder in the face of this precedent.
There were none in office two years ago that didn't recieve hundreds or thousands of e-mails, letters and phone calls and every issue brought up this March was brought up then and sourced. That is a fact. It is also a fact that there was a lot of media coverage then which was also directed to their attention along with sources that showed how false and misleading the majority of that coverage was (and is.)
They have all had more than two years to be ready for this.
I can't believe that you experience neither hope or fear. I can't believe that those two emotions have not shaped your life or your thought processes. Humans are innately emotional beings and to suggest that your posts are not in part based on emotions, such as hope or fear, is illogical.
I don't recall stating a percentage of them I disagree with or using any adjectives indicating how many.
When you state "there now exists no place to file a complaint" and "The Executive and Legislative branches, on all levels, has ceded power to the Judicial branch." you are in fact condemning them all.
I didn't say I don't experience it. What I meant was I don't indulge in hope and fear. There is no requirement to participate in emotions just because they arise.
I can't believe that those two emotions have not shaped your life or your thought processes.
They certainly did for many years. Now that it is clear to me that hope and fear are based on fabricated assumptions and expectations I choose not pay heed to the emotions that give rise to them.
Humans are innately emotional beings and to suggest that your posts are not in part based on emotions, such as hope or fear, is illogical.
Your personal problems are not mine apparently. I hope you understand what I mean but I fear it will just go over your head. Then again it's not my problem.
Maybe I did paint with too broad a brush there. It wasn't intended as an indictment of every justice though because I recognize that there are simply only a few courts where such a complaint could be filed.
It's a moot point however since Frist has said that Congress isn't going to press any of these issues. That sort of reinforces my statement about the Legislature.
You don't seem to know a lot about human nature. You can't just turn emotions on and off like a faucet. "You are quibbling when you say, "I don't indulge in hope and fear." instead of "I leave hope and fear to the superstitious." This is one of the most emotionally stories of the year and you tell me your emotions don't affect your opinions? Hogwash!
Thank you for finally admitting you "painted with too broad a brush there."
I didn't know about that. I'm sure people protested. Terri's situation brought the situation to the forefront. Incidentally...since you seem to know about the previous case were YOU out there protesting? It was wrong she was killed, too, obviously. If you weren't out there, why weren't you?
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