Cheney Opposes Retribution Against Schiavo Judges

Washington Post ^ | April 4, 2005 | Mike Allen & Brian Faler

[supercat]

There's a reason federal judges get lifetime appointments, but there's also reasons why Congress can impeach them and limit their jurisdiction.

A coworker of mine was wondering if there isn't some little stretch of federal highway in middle-of-nowhere Alaska that needs its own traffic court? Such a court might be staffed with the country's highest-paid traffic court judges.

[supercat]

Under Florida law, his ruling in that case was correct. Judges don't, nor should they, give out restraining orders like they're going out of style.

Blame the Lautenberg Abomination.

Restraining orders should be loosely given, but minimal in effect. What should happen is that a person who doesn't want another in or about their property should serve that person legally notice that if they put themselves in or about the property they risk being shot. A restraining order should not prevent the recipient from doing anything which it would otherwise be his right to do.

[supercat]

When conservative Republican Baptist Judge Greer follows the letter of the law, rather than ruling in an activist manner, many Freepers called him a Nazi.

What statute authorizes a judge to order that a person be denied food and water by any and all means, including by mouth?

[supercat]

This may or may not be true, but it is not beyond comprehension.

Something which "may or may not be true" is not proven by the "clear and compelling evidence" standard.

[Nightshift]

I will agree with half your statement. It is the Florida laws, but it is also the judges, as well as the judges around this country. If people don't wake up and see what's in front of them, it'll be too late.

There has been too many people saying it's the law, when the problem is judges making their own law to suit them and their friends. There was a post earlier and dang it, I can't remember right now, but the judge ruled against what 62% of what the people voted for and says it was unconstitutional yet there was nothing in the constitution making it unconstitutional.

If any knows what post it was please remind me. I have CRS.

[maine-iac7]

Let's hold fire on Cheney until we get the whole story. I heard that he said, when asked if he agreed with "retribution" as DeLay had laid out, that he said he hadn't yet read Delays statement but that he didn't believe in retribution.

It was a typical 'trap' question. DeLay never mentioned "retribution" - but they phrased the question disingenuously, with malice aforethought, to get a quote they could misrepresent to nail Cheney with.

If he had "yes" - well, top headlines. If he said "No" against what he was told DeLay said about "retribution" - top headlines. Either way, they get to slam Cheney,

These trap questions are par for the course with the lib reporters and Cheney is usually to smart to get sucker punched. But he did in the instance.

But did we also get suckered in our knee jerk rush to believe and convict Cheney before we had the facts to weigh - do we still swallow the MSM without a grain of salt

[maine-iac7]

There is no reason for the entire judicial system of Florida to conspire to kill this one woman.

Maybe, maybe not.

But there are two denominators that are often present when justice gets run over roughshod. Money and back-skratching.

After the suit settlement, there was a LOT of money floating around - and it did NOT go to Terri's care, as directed.

Judges, like doctor's cover one another's buts...a lot of rubber stamping...

[TAdams8591]

"Vice President Cheney says he opposes revenge against judges for their refusal to prolong the life of the late Terri Schiavo, although he did not criticize House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) for declaring that they will "answer for their behavior."

Of course he does. His feelings would be entirely different, if it were his daughter.

[TAdams8591]

Cheney couldn't be MORE wrong. And neither could you.

[TAdams8591]

Well said, Halls!

[sinkspur]

Cheney couldn't be MORE wrong. And neither could you.

Well, you best prepare to be disappointed. DeLay has no support for what he's trying to do.

[maine-iac7]

With that said, I also think the Florida law stinks as well - make better laws.

That's how it's supposed to work - the legislature MAKES the laws, the Judges uphold them AS WRITTEN.

In 2003, Jeb got a "Terri' s Law" passed in the legislature that forced them to reinsert her feeding tube then, which was after 6 days without it. But since that time, Greer tossed the law out! How does a judge negate a law, legally?

When Jeb tried to get a law thru again, this time, the legislature wouldn't pass it.

[Earthdweller]

I reject name calling in any case that would include the use of "Nazi" to describe a freeper who takes the view that our laws in their current form regarding the issues surrounding Terri's fate are just.

In addition, as a new member of WPPFF I would like to humbly point out that some here have been advocating the use of the term "Jacobins" to describe those who take a strong stance for life in situations like Terri's.

In either case the whole attack mode present here is just wrong and will accomplish nothing.

In the case of calling Christian Freepers "Jacobins" I would be hard pressed to use this term in the literal sense to describe their views.

Jacobins instituted a system of surveillance of people’s virtues and actively promoted de-Christianising of France and ruled during the Reign of Terror.

Since most of the people you are referring to are Christians, the term may not apply in it's purest form.

Most moderate Christian's know that there are also extreme forces a foot that would like to repeat the French Revolution in the United States as well, virtually eliminating all reference to the Christian beginnings of our country.

On the other hand if you use the term in the broader sense....yes there are extreme extremists in every political "club".

I believe cooler heads will prevail in the heart wrenching case of Terri Shiavo and a just means to avenge her death will evolve.

Presently I do not see any Christians advocating a "Reign of Terror" on the US public.

I do however see a start up movement to change the laws to more closely protect the rights of the disabled with the extreme convictions displayed before the civil war when the abuses of slavery came to light.

I would like to add..to those who are calling people Nazis..well that is just plain wrong..end of story.

My view...Let's hope the issues that are now in the forefront are not swept under a rug by our Legislators to fester.

MY hope...that the country and the Republican party can get their wits about them and face these issues with an ounce of reason.

[maine-iac7]

I meant this one judge is only a part of a very large judicial process. I can understand one judge making bad decisions, but not the number of judges who have have seen this case.

They may have "seen" it but they didn't LOOK at it - they simply rubber-stamped their colleagues ruling. BIG difference - they refused to look at any opposing evidence.

Better pray you don't find yourself in court for anything one day - you may be sorely shocked to find there isn't always justice in justices.

The Bible warns to stay out of the courts of man...

[TAdams8591]

The recent polls might change his mind. We'll see.

[maine-iac7]

That's what I've been trying to tell everybody who's been after Whittemore's head. I couldn't find any fault with his decision.

he was supposed to do a de Novo - look at new evidence. HE DID NOT. he just rubber-stamped - and took his sweet time about it while Terri's life ebbed away

[Eva]

Retribution is not exactly what we are looking for. We don't want to punish the judges or get even, we just want their decision making process exposed to a full inquiry.

[maine-iac7]

No, what it means is that us locals, who've been following the case for 10 years, supported Greer. People here think Michal Schaivo is a lout, but believe the law is on his side. The intervention of Jeb, the FL legislature and the federal government is DEEPLY resented. Also, the talk of FL and Pinellas Co as being some type of Nazi machine has deepened that resentment.

Playing a tiny fiddle for you.

[nicmarlo]

So, judge Greer KNEW with 100% certainy that Terri, who left no document to state her wishes, wanted to be dehydrated to death? He KNEW with 100% certainty that she wished for something that was a felony when she could have stated her wishes?...something which a law-abiding lawyer would not put into writing, even if she had?

Florida and Pinellas is resentful because the truth about what Florida and Pinellas has done is 100% wrong.

Make that fiddle very very little.

[maine-iac7]

As for the courts, the main problem I have with them is that they kept agreeing to re-hear the case over and over and over again.

It would have been nice if they'd also LOOKED at the case, instead of just rubber-stamping their colleagues ruling -