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1 posted on 04/03/2005 8:13:12 PM PDT by tbn80
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"You also claim to oppose socialism..."

Yes...I do.

"...but support faith based initiatives of forcing taxpayers at gunpoint to give money to the church the same way the puritans did and demand corporate welfare for ceos."

Frankly, I don't care for government support of anything...except our national defence. That being said, if Liberals are going to insist that we allocate grants and monies to special interest groups to help the impoverished and indigent, than the Church should not be excluded.

Liberal groups receieve millions of dollars to supposedly help people; from the NRDC and environmentalism to homeless issues, were administrators live like labor bosses, liberals have sucked from the government teat for generations.

IF your objective as a liberal is to help people than you should have no problem with local churches doing what they do best and tending to the impoverished in their communities. Hell, until a decade ago this wasn't a problem as this was done routinely. That all changed when Clinton became president and homeless missions were denied grants to feed the poor because they prayed. Don't talk to me about hypocrisy you weasel.

"These are the same values that the USSR practiced. THey merged the religion of Atheism with government the same way you propose merging Christian foundamentalism."

Ahh...the USSR, as the Facists did, persecuted people of faith as they made room for the very secularism you are preaching. Know one here is asking for a merging of religion and government. You are so ignorant that you can't see that your argument supports our position as it is people of faith in this country, who are being marginalized as they were in the USSR.


247 posted on 04/04/2005 12:08:00 PM PDT by cwb
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"this site is whacked."

I haven't experienced any faulty connections on this webisite :D

"The whole website claims to oppose somthing with one side of it's mouth and then goes around supporting basically the same thing."

There is this little thing at the bottom of every page that says that the posts are the product of the authors, and are not neccesarilly the opinions of the site's owners.

" You all claim to oppose Islam but advocate the same things they do."

You'll probably never get to answer this because you are in zotland, but whatever gave you that idea? Chances are that there are a few Muslims who even post on this site. Personally I am not opposed to Islam in general, I am opposed to Militant Islam.

"You even worship the same god they do."

Umm... God's nickname is not Allah. They are both supposed to be the God's of Abraham, but I don't see the same character in the God of Islam. (thats my opinion)

"You claim to support free speech and religious liberty but demand that the seperation of church and state that has protected religious freedom be torn down and anyone who says anything critical about Bush, Rush or any so called conservative thrown out."

Seperation of Church and State is not mentioned anywhere in any major American founding document. It is not, nor should it be a part of American politics. The only thing that the Constitution opposes is an established church. Which would be if one church were taxed where another church was not

"You claim to oppose media biased but are far more biased thgan they are."

Reality Check: There is no actual opposition to bias in any way at all, what is opposed is unfair bias.

"At least Peter Jennings and Dan Rather never villified anyones lifestyle or beliefs and deny the other side their viewpoint."

Is there a problem with believing in a right and a wrong?

"You also claim to oppose socialism but support faith based initiatives of forcing taxpayers at gunpoint to give money to the church the same way the puritans did and demand corporate welfare for ceos."

Socialism does not support the Church at all. Socialism typically opposes any church at all.

"These are the same values that the USSR practiced."

The USSR didn't give money to churches. They blew them up.

" THey merged the religion of Atheism with government the same way you propose merging Christian foundamentalism."

Who is they? Seriously, I don't propose any such merger, I just oppose the near-violent responses that are received when a moral topic is discussed with religious morality in mind.


"They were imperialist warmongers greedy for power just as you are in this Iraq war."

One problem with this argument, is that the Soviets kept what they conquered. Iraq and Afghanistan already have their own governments.

"In the end FR and other like minded scum will lead to the downfall of america and a new dark age."

I would love to see the logical steps you went through to reach this conclusion.


254 posted on 04/04/2005 3:25:48 PM PDT by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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"You even worship the same god they do."

I DO NOT in fact worship Ba-al, the moon god.

And I would suggest that you STFU had you not already gotten treated like the pustulant troll that you are.

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259 posted on 04/04/2005 5:53:18 PM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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Anyone want to bet that as a small child this troll ate lots of paint chips containing lead.


260 posted on 04/04/2005 7:42:17 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Repub Bub

Ping!


261 posted on 04/05/2005 1:37:59 AM PDT by Come And Take It
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