Posted on 04/02/2005 7:17:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Legal setbacks for Terri Schiavo's parents continue even after the brain-damaged woman's death.
The Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office denied the parents' request to have independent medical experts observe Schiavo's autopsy has been denied.
Over their seven-years-long legal battle, Bob and Mary Schindler sought independent investigation of their daughter's condition. They wanted to select a neuropathologist and a forensic expert to observe her autopsy.
The autopsy was completed yesterday. Results are not expected for several weeks.
Terri Schiavo's body was cremated today. Her husband plans to bury her remains in a family plot in Pennsylvania. He is required to tell the Schindlers about any memorial services he plans for her, and where the ashes are interred.
The Schindlers have planned their own memorial service for their daughter Tuesday night in Gulfport.
He should have done it on his volition, but perhaps Karl Rove gets the leash after the judiciary has had their fun as he manages Jeb's Govenorship as well as his brother's presidency.
Actually, your post makes me wonder why we need govenors and legislators? Sure save the tax payer lots of money. Heck, Mrs. Clinton's and her husband's office space rent alone would save us over a million a year. Cut out the staffing, the travel, the perks and benefits, and b.s. laws, an awesome amount saved since they let the judiciary run roughshod over us all, well except for them of course and Sandy Berger, Puerto Rican terrorists, Marc Rich, 4 Hassidic embezzelers, gosh, I'd better stop the list is too long.
Perhaps you should read your own linked sources, because they do not support this falsehood.
I've been to annual meetings of The Florida Bar, and never at this location.
You got that right. I already know what this autopsy is going to say. No broken bones, no brain. It is all so pat.
My fears exactly. But I do hope that the ME has some integrity and character and is not in on the corrupt devious Pinellas County scheme to cover-up their dastardly and diabolical deeds.
The judge's, the doctor's, the nurse's greatest fear, that he was wrong, wrong about Terri and her PVS condition and this is really what she wanted when she supposedly said she couldn't live on machines...a feeding tube and water is not a machine.
Question...is it the norm for an ME to give the results to the guardian before it's released to the public?
I don't know.
yep, including the unfounded opinion that the autopsy will be a whitewash. And that thee is a massive conspiracy in Clearwater involving connections with scientologists and payoffs. And that this case is the beginning of a new rise of Naziism in this country. And that everything and everyone involved is a liar, conspirator, tool of evil interests.
Yeah, that is the closely held opinion of many freeprs on this subject.
I'd rather be a healthy Jewish child in Poland in 1940. You at least have an outside chance of escaping that. There is no escape from being elderly (anywhere) and in a home save death.
Maybe Buckhead will then look at the report, and notice that it was composed on MS Word 95.
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Then are you admitting your opinion on Wecht is unfounded?
Here, we agree. The mention of slippery slopes, death camps, euthenasia (possibly as a solution to the Social Security problems), are all intended toward that goal, imho.
Unfortunately, we live in an age which requires 'shock and awe' to get the attention of the masses, and one which has desensitized those same masses to the 'shock and awe' required.
That, perhaps, is the most frightening aspect of all of this.
Well, judgment day will NOT elude Michael. Maybe he got away with murder here, but he WILL face God one day, and the truth will be known. If truly guilty, he will not go free.
My 86 year old mother died in a car accident in FLA. I was told not to make funeral arrangements until an autopsy was done.
I was upset and questioned it so I contacted a local politician's office and asked why was an autopsy being done? I was told that it was a state law in FLA. and something the highway patrol had lobbied for.
The autopsy was done quickly and we buried her 4 days later. I also got a copy of autopsy report. Results...trauma from a car accident.
As far as the comparisons between the Terri Schaivo case and the holocaust of Nazi Germany goes, if the Nazis were responsible for the H-O-L-O-C-A-U-S-T, then the Schaivo case is the H. Sure you can't compare the murder of 1 to the extermination of 6 million, but you can't get to 6 million without 1.
If anyone expects any real light to be cast by the ME in this case that would throw a shadow on Greer and the political establishment down there, I wish they would tell me why. ME's like the ones on TV are probably unlikely.
Will this case not be cited by lawyers in the future as a precedent on which future cases will be decided?
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, whoever points out that Godwin's law applies to the thread is also considered to have "lost" the battle, as it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Godwin's law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Many people understand Godwin's law to mean this, although (as is clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original formulation.
Nevertheless, there is also a widely-recognized codicil that any intentional invocation of Godwin's law for its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful. See "Quirk's exception" below.
You are correct about the inappropriateness of the Nazi images, and I commend you on your patience in dealing with this.
Thoughtful arguments that make apt, well-informed comparisons to Nazis might be useful. Shouting "Nazi" and posting pictures of Holocaust victims is not.
Yes, every slippery slope begins with a single flake. Every avalanche begins with a single flake, too. So I suppose I should yell "Avalanche!" if I see a single flake fall on the mountain. Except that I am helping no one by doing so and marginalize myself to boot. And once people start accepting stupid slippery slope arguments, who knows what kind of other arguments they'll buy down the road.
The Nazis currently hold the world record for the rock botton of human behavior. All evil can be analogized in some way to Nazi evil, because it was so all-encompassing, but one should avoid the temptation to shout "Nazi" at the first glimpse of evil. It is the equivalent of shouting "Avalanche" at the first flake. It means the speaker has no sense of scale or proportion.
It took 15 years of legal wrangling to kill Terri, with, believe it or not, serious consideration and review given to the arguments on both sides. The Nazis would have dispatched her in 15 seconds along with 4000 other people who looked vaguely like her and would have dumped them all in a pit.
What happened to Terri happened due to a loophole in the law. The law presumes that one spouse has the other's best interest in mind. The law went haywire when this underlying assumption in this case turned out not to be true. In this case, agitate to change the law or defeat judges like Greer who do come up for reelection or reconfirmation. You can do that in Florida. And that's another reason why Florida is not Nazi Germany.
Hey, perhaps the age-related euthanasia is the liberals' final solution to the Social Security problem. "It's not Social Security that's the problem, it's the recipients of Social Security who are the problem." (hypothetical Democrat quote)
That, unfortunately, is a logical conclusion of this line of action, if it is not stopped here.
. . and conversely, there are many DUers who believe that ANYONE (including medical experts) had to be lying and in on some sort of a "conspiracy for life" if they opposed or ran counter to Mikey Shiavo's wishes.
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