Posted on 04/02/2005 7:17:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Legal setbacks for Terri Schiavo's parents continue even after the brain-damaged woman's death.
The Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office denied the parents' request to have independent medical experts observe Schiavo's autopsy has been denied.
Over their seven-years-long legal battle, Bob and Mary Schindler sought independent investigation of their daughter's condition. They wanted to select a neuropathologist and a forensic expert to observe her autopsy.
The autopsy was completed yesterday. Results are not expected for several weeks.
Terri Schiavo's body was cremated today. Her husband plans to bury her remains in a family plot in Pennsylvania. He is required to tell the Schindlers about any memorial services he plans for her, and where the ashes are interred.
The Schindlers have planned their own memorial service for their daughter Tuesday night in Gulfport.
You guys [and gals] are hilarious. This is one well planned conspiracy. Amazing! The sky is falling.
Florida has a Medical Examiners Commission IAW Florida statute 406.02. Members are appointed by the governor. They write rules for ME’s. They make recommendations to the governor who has to approve ME’s for 3 year appointments. Quite a conspiracy! Commission says ME’s and staff shall perform autopsies and investigations. Does not say an ME can authorize ‘independent observer’. Then again does not say he can’t. But according to Administrative Code written by Medical Examiners Commission, “requests for independent examination and analysis of physical evidence in the custody of the medical examiner SHALL be allowed by the medical examiner.” Quite a conspiracy to hide the evidence!
On the Medical Examiners Commission: The Governor shall appoint:
1. Two members who are physicians licensed pursuant to chapter 458 or chapter 459 and who are active district medical examiners;
2. One member who is a funeral director licensed pursuant to chapter 497;
3. One member who is a state attorney;
4. One member who is a public defender;
5. One member who is a sheriff; and
6. One member who is a county commissioner.
Rules [406.04] - The commission shall adopt rules pursuant to ss. 120.536(1) and 120.54 to implement the provisions of this chapter. The commission shall ensure minimum and uniform standards of excellence, performance of duties, and maintenance of records so as to provide useful and adequate information to the state in regard to causative factors of those deaths investigated.
District medical examiners; associates [406.05] - A district medical examiner shall be appointed by the Governor for each medical examiner district from nominees who are practicing physicians in pathology, whose nominations are submitted to the Governor by the Medical Examiners Commission. The term of office of each district medical examiner shall be 3 years. An appointment to fill a vacancy shall be for the unexpired portion of the term.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/cjst/mec/ [Medical Examiners Commission]
The MEC writes the Florida Administrative Code for the Medical Examiners.
http://fac.dos.state.fl.us/faconline/chapter11.pdf [page 167, FLA Administrative Code]
CHAPTER 11G-2 STANDARD INVESTIGATION PROCEDURES
11G-2.003 Investigation
(1) A medical examiner shall investigate under the authority of Section 406.11, F.S., in order to determine the cause of death and such circumstances surrounding it as are necessary and in the public interest. Such an investigation shall consist of examinations or investigation as the medical examiner shall deem necessary, including but not limited to:
(2) Medical examiner autopsies performed pursuant to Section 406.11, F.S., shall be performed by pathologists or directly supervised residents in pathology. Performance shall require in situ examination of the tissues pertinent to determining the cause of death and the removal of viscera pertinent to the determination of the cause of death. Removal of other organs and tissues during the autopsy shall be under the direct supervision of the pathologist. Direct supervision requires the presence of the supervising pathologist in the autopsy room. A medical examiner shall not sign a death certificate unless he or she has made such investigation as needed to assure the accuracy of the findings.
11G-2.004 Physical Evidence.
(2) The medical examiner shall seize such physical evidence as shall be necessary to determine the cause and manner of death, presence of disease, injury, intoxication, and identification of the decedent, or to answer questions arising in criminal investigations, and shall label, prepare, analyze, examine, and catalog such evidence as needed.
(4) Physical Evidence shall be retained by the medical examiner as follows:
(a) Stained sections [sections which have been stained for the purpose of microscopic examination.] shall be preserved indefinitely and embedded tissue preserved for at least ten (10) years.
(b) Fixed organs shall be retained until the medical examiner has completed his or her studies of them.
(c) All other specimens shall be retained for one year.
(d) All other physical evidence not released to another investigative agency or to the owner shall be retained for one year.
(e) Physical Evidence that is retained for any period longer than is specified above must be held in accordance with Rule 11G-2.006, F.A.C.
(5) Requests for independent examination and analysis of physical evidence in the custody of the medical examiner shall be allowed by the medical examiner under his supervision and control in a manner designed to provide maximal preservation of the physical evidence.
Maybe should capitalize on it.
Damn. You need to see a doctor.
Aha, now we're getting somewhere. Do you have something against non Jews? Do you think this imagery used by the earlier poster is being used by only non Jews?
Keep posting your Auschwitz pictures. They are of no help to us. Perhaps they make you feel better. No way your non Jewish input has any real meaning. For once you are useless. Get used to it.
"You SHOULD be offended by that imagery; EVERYONE should be, because that is probably how Terri looked (maybe worse) when she died. I see nothing wrong with posting that imagery; sometimes it takes pictures to make people really understand an atrocity, such as this is. So, in this case, I feel this imagery AND comparison to the Nazis is entirely appropriate, and if it's not stopped, we'll be there sooner than we think!"
Well said.
Where are you getting that information?
And, I'll give you a hint, my ancestors migrated to Wales and were said to be from "the lost tribes of Israel", I wonder what that could make me.
You bet, Cyril Wecht is an Outstanding ME. This is one of the few (can I say ONLY?) case where I have seen this blatant denial of an independent ME for the Plaintiff/ Defendant? I'm not even sure at this point who the sides are called in these suits.
That being said, I am 100 percent sure that Herr Doktor Judgenfuherer Greer and the Pinellas County ME already had the results written beforehand. I am also reasonably sure that there was NO examination of the bony structure to confirm/rule out any antemortem fractures, especially ones that were extant prior to the onset of the alleged "Persistant Vegetative State", nor do I believe that any examination of the brain was done, in the manner suggested by Michael Baden MD, the noted Medical examiner, to acertain if the damage was initiated by a blow or some other physical insult.
When I was listening to various ME's on Fox and Court TV weigh in on this, there was one overriding truth that they all agreed upon. This truth was that a GOOD post-mortem would be able to tell if there had been abuse or some sort of injury which caused Terri to go into the brain-injured state in the first place, and also if there were any skeletal injuries, which, now long healed, would show evidence of abuse.
The problem is now, that the "Old School Tie" club will close ranks and explain away all this.. I will now give a modest example. I wish to state that I am neither a Doctor, nor a Medical Examiner, I am an Aeroneutical Engineer, but have enough friends, and a spouse in the medical field, that I do have a working knowledge of the terminology.
1. The brain injury will be gundecked to agree with the "brainstem the only viable part of the brain" story. and that Terri had no consious thought or ability to percieve stimuli. Any evidence to the contrary will be conveniently damaged or destroyed in a manner similar to the botched JFK autopsy. Photographs will be doctored to show what they want to show, and anything to the contrary will be destroyed.
2. There will be little or no mention of any skeletal examination, since that will be deemed to have little or no bearing on the cause of death. If any X-rays are taken, they will be routine, and most likely so poor quality, that they will be unreadable and useless as evidence. At some point in the near future, they will "disappear" never to be seen again. There will be NO investigation of any of the fractures or healed fractures mentioned in the hospital records from 1990. There will be no "red flags" put up, which would be a very common occurrence today, where spousal abuse is a highly looked for incident, and warning signs are looked for in every ER, and even asked about from patients, both male and female who come in with any kind of fall, or fractue, or black eye... [OPNOTE: gwmoore was teaching mrsgwmoore and FReeper trinity1 (daugter of gwmoore) some self-defense moves so they could protect themselves. Mrsgwmoore had the moves down pat and broke gwmoore's nose. Quite a funny incident..well, off to the ER we go, and one of the questions I was asked "Are you in an abusive relationship? Are you bing abused right now? Do you feel in danger for your life?) OK, we all had a good laugh, but the questions were asked END OPNOTE]
At any rate, there will be no mention of the skeletal injuries, and if there is, it will be blamed on low calcium levels in the blood, dating from her bulemia, or from long bed confinement, and that will be the final word.
The cause of death will read:
IMMEDIATE CAUSE: CardioPulmonary Failure
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR(S):Multisystem Disease, Dehydration/Starvation,Cachexia
OTHER MEDICAL CONDITIONS: Persistant Vegetative State, Profound Cerebral Atrophy due Extended Anoxic Damage, Contractures of Limbs
The only thing they may leave out is the "Dehydration/starvation" because they don't want that in an official document.
At any rate, I don't believe we are going to ever see any revelations in the documents released by the Pinellas county ME, and now that Terri's remains have been cremated, the evidence is gone as well. My own opinion as to MS not wanting to return Terri to her parents....EVIDENCE. He is so darn scared that an exhumation would occur and a REAL autopsy would be performed, and show the TRUTH (no statute of limitations on Murder, remember) that he HAD to get rid of the evidence...
Now, I live just outside of Philly, and I am waiting with anticipation to see the local sleuths and paparrazzi following the gang around until they see where the ashes go.
Remember the song " Run Sinner Man 'Cause the Dark Can't Hide You ", well, that crowd is going to be running for the rest of their natural lives, because they KNOW they did something wrong, and they are going to be looking over their shoulders 24/7 forever (Huge Evil Grin)
That's just my take on this, sorry for the long post, but that's what I figure, there is going to be no satisfactory report from the ME, and nothing is going to stop the pre-decreed outcome that Herren Greer and Felos have already set up a long time ago.
Terri, May your soul, at last, rest in the peace of our Lord,
Keep the Faith for Freedom
Greg
How am I doing that, and what purpose are you talking about?
The truth shall set you free.
"Your input has been deemed irrelevant by posters such as myself that live in the fear of persecution. You travel in the world of the forgotten, the ignored.
Keep posting your Auschwitz pictures. They are of no help to us. Perhaps they make you feel better. No way your non Jewish input has any real meaning. For once you are useless. Get used to it."
Wow. I truly feel sorry for you.
What Hitler did to the Jews is barbaric, horrific, inhuman and worthy of burning in Hell for eternity.
But the equal number of non-Jews he slaughtered - their lives were equally valuable.
He vowed to kill ALL Poles, ALL Gypsies, ALL homosexuals, etc etc.
And millions of non-Jews went to the death camps ONLY because they helped Jews. Their lives were valuable also.
You have quite a litmus test. If I answer correctly can I stay off your railroad car?
And what is the truth?
Yup.
Not sure what you have expressed. Do you believe the murder of Terri is equivalent to the Holocaust of the Jewish people? Is one death due to a faulty legal system and judge the same as a systematic extermination of a race? I'd like to know your opinion.
Don't worry. It's just some pimple faced kid trying to get a rise.
You are getting awful dogmatic for one who says she's a victim.
I suggest (1) you quit asking people their religion, and (2) telling them to "now live with it", and get some rest. You're getting a little offensive. And (3) quit accusing people of "using the tragedy of my people for your purposes". No one has come close to doing that or wanting to do that.
You are probably a nice enough person, but you've gone too far the past hour or so.
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