Posted on 04/02/2005 6:09:21 PM PST by texaspirate
TOMBSTONE, Ariz. — They came by the hundreds Friday, men and women from across the nation, hearts brimming with righteous anger, determined to staunch the flow of illegal immigration.
Some wore pistols slung low on their hips. Others walked the dusty streets in leather cowboy hats, wearing buttons that read: "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent." There were pilots, window washers, private investigators and exterminators.
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I think one could fill a book of words this President doesn't understand.
Que lastima!
Rule #1: get the guy with the camera FIRST!
Sniff if you like, but its the fact that we don't generally allow vigilantes, and other forms of mob violence, that keeps allows for the defense of property rights. At least if you don't happen to be a better shot than your neighbors.
Besides, even if you endorse the minutemen, you should also support severe punishment for people who employ illegals.
I'm glad the Minutemen are there. They are already shaming the US government into action on the border. Your way is just the same old wimping out and kowtowing to the hostile nation of Mexico.
"Sniff if you like, but its the fact that we don't generally allow vigilantes, and other forms of mob violence, that keeps allows for the defense of property rights. At least if you don't happen to be a better shot than your neighbors."
I think I am going to have to give this the old double Sniff. Sniff, Sniff.
Number 1 - Nobody has advocated mob violence, nor has there been any evidence of mob violence.
Number 2 - Your sentence makes no sense. (that keeps allows?)
Number 3, Where I live, we have a right to defend our property.
It seems to me that many people do not fully understand the illegal (and legal) immigration situation.
What I would like to address to you was written in the Economist.
The value placed on just setting foot in the US was calculated a few years ago to be $360,000.
This immigration problem is not just a jobs issue. By setting foot in the US, an immigrant gains automatic access to hospitals, schools, roads, clean running water, sewage, and various welfare programs(SSI in particular which is an egregious abuse of our system).
This immigration problem is not going to go away by correcting just one thing such as citing employers. Our entire way of handling foreigners must change.
Not only must the freebies be cut out, but a realization of the value of the country our forefathers have built must also happen. This is an expensive or rich country on a per capita basis.
I read an article that stated that in India the dowry for a woman's family pays is doubled if the prospective husband has an US visa. The foreigners know the value of being in the US, it is our own citizens that do not seem to understand not only what they are paying for currently, but what their fathers and grandfathers have paid over the years.
Even the above average immigrant is going to be hard pressed to put more back into America than he and his family consume. Of course to many of us, as we see the quality of life continue to decline as shown by overcrowding, traffic jams, decreasing quality of education, more crime, and even hospital closures, arguments trying to convince us of the benefits of immigration, especially illegal immigration, ring hollow.
You're absolutely correct, the effect of the shame of these vigilantes doing a better job on the Border Patrol is the redeeming factor about this. And it is sad that it would come to this, as people feel they have no recourse about the issue.
But mexico as a hostile nation? What are you talking about? These people wish they could be us, rich and prosperous. They're not coming to the U.S. because they hate us. As far as the government goes, Fox is a windbag. He bashes the U.S. because its popular to do so, everywhere in the world it seems and even back home. He's just another politician. China is a hostile nation. Iran is a hostile nation. Saudi Arabia is a hostile nation. I don't think Mexico falls in the same category. We're too close culturally and economically. If something is bad for the U.S. its generally bad for Mexico and vice versa.
"It seems to me that many people do not fully understand the illegal (and legal) immigration situation.
What I would like to address to you was written in the Economist."
Do you have a link to this article? I would like to read it.
BTW
What caused you to come to the FR on this fine day?
Mexican hack politicians rail against the USA all the time to stir up their masses. Mexico is a hostile nation. They placed their army on the other side of the border because of the minutemen. Mexico is run by a racist Spanish elite that drives it's underclass and excess workers into America. This non white underclass is Mestizos and Indians. The Mexican oligarchy is laughing every day at the stupid Americans who allow this invasion
It appears that Bush isn't the only one who doesn't know the meaning of the word 'vigilante'.
I'll try to make it easy for you, newb. Vigilantes, by definition, take the law into their own hands -- they break it. The Minutemen not only haven't broken any laws, but their stated goals are only to alert the (severely undermanned) BP to any suspicious activity. And that's it. Cell phones, walkie-talkies, and binoculars are their "weapons" of choice.
Just think of them as "undocumented Border Patrol."
Mexico has many billionaires and a very rich white European upper-class The problem there is the wealth doesn't get spread around
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Mexico has more Billionaires than Saudi Arabia
DOBBS: Tonight, an estimated 15 million illegal aliens live in this country, at least half of them from Mexico. Many are here because they chose to flee crushing poverty in Mexico.
But, in point of fact, Mexico is one of the richest countries in Latin America, amongst -- the millionaires, billionaires and its wealth concentrated in the hands of very few.
CASEY WIAN: They sneak across the border seeking jobs they can't find in Mexico. The question isn't why they come, it's why can't Mexico's economy support its own people.
Nearly half of Mexico's population lives in poverty. Ten percent are indigent, existing on a dollar a day. Yet the nation has vast wealth. Mexico has more "Forbes" billionaires, 11, than all but eight other nations. It has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia, Switzerland or Taiwan. It also has more than 85,000 millionaires.
GEORGE W. GRAYSON, OF WILLIAM & MARY: There is a small economic elite who live like maharajas, and there's a political elite that protects them. Our border provides an escape valve which really lets the Mexican political and economic elite off the hook in terms of providing opportunities for their own people.
WIAN : About 10 percent of Mexico's 105 million people live here in the United States. They're called national heroes by President Vicente Fox because this year they'll send home about $16 billion,***** more than any Mexican industry except oil.******
Mexico's outdated tax system is plagued by widespread tax evasion. It collects taxes at less than half the rate of the United States. As a result, Mexico's public-school and health-care systems suffer.
WIAN: Meanwhile, the gap between rich and poor is growing. So Mexico continues to export one of its most valuable assets, people.
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The real problem is: why are they leaving their country? It's rich in natural resources, tremendous reserves of oil . . . they leave because it's corrupt and doesn't really have free enterprise. Same reason people come from anywhere. The real solution is: fix the economies in those countries so people won't need to leave.
Nah, the ACLU attorneys will be signing up the illegals as clients.
Granted. I think the estimation of services the illegals draw upon is a little high, but for the most part, you're absolutely correct. There needs to be a society wide change in how we deal with immigration and population growth. I just think the solution the Minutemen are advocating is too narrow-minded at best(as there are many more factors at play than just the physical prevention of immigration), and potentially dangerous to the fabric of our society at worst.
On more humorous note, I can't think of a large number of people already here who'll ever contribute more than they consume.
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