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The Rise of Big Sister-ism
April 2, 2005 | Carey Roberts

Posted on 04/02/2005 3:22:44 PM PST by CareyRoberts

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1 posted on 04/02/2005 3:22:44 PM PST by CareyRoberts
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To: sauropod

Ping


2 posted on 04/02/2005 3:25:52 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (World Series Champion Boston Red Sox!! Has a nice ring to it.)
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To: CareyRoberts

One more reason to oppose the women's movement.


3 posted on 04/02/2005 3:37:55 PM PST by TimeLord (A whale fetus is a whale; a human fetus is a blob.)
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To: CareyRoberts
Just to put this men/women conflict in perspective, next time you are at book store or a supermarket just stop by the magazine section. Count the number of magazines that caters to women, and the ones that caters to men. You will be surprise to find that there are TEN times more women magazines than men. In addition, women magazines deals directly with advising women how to get, and control guys, while men magazines tell guys how to get flat abs/good stereos/....

Also, to put this disproportionate instructional information available to women into a bigger perspectives, you have to count the number of day time soap operas, and talk shows that is essentially nothing but ranting on guys. To the extent that women are filled with false expectations from commercials, that they feel under-appreciated and walk away from marriages. A commercial like that dude who rented a movie theater to celebrate their wedding anniversary...he showed his wedding movie, and gave her a $10,000 diamond ring TOO. Now stupid women who do not get this treatment can fell not loved, and want out. The bad thing is, after they are out they mostly feel stupid that they dumped their husbands.

5 posted on 04/02/2005 3:38:31 PM PST by conservlib
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This is a subject I am very conflicted about. My ex-husband was physically and mentally abusive, as well as unfaithful. I only asked for a divorce after I begged and pleaded with him to stop seeing the last woman he was seeing and had to ask him to move out. (He was treating our house like a rest-stop while he spent the nights with her.) Darn-right I get child support, and not nearly as much as I should because they based his annual pay on a couple of paystubs instead of his end-of year amounts (he makes more different times of year.) In addition, we have a disabled child. I get really ticked off when he tells me how victimized he is by the system and me.

On the other hand, I have seen women treat guys like crap and get divorced for the frivolous reasons mentioned. I also have seen guys who make not even half what my ex makes pay almost as much in child support for one child as he pays for two. It frustrates me and makes me mad that there is such inequity in the system.

The bottom-line is that there are bad apples on both sides, and it's not fair to swing the pendulum too far in either direction. I also heartily support the end of no-fault divorces. My divorce cost me almost 10K for my lawyer and took two years- as a "no fault." I don't think no-fault simplifies anything and it penalizes the innocent parties whether they be male or female.

6 posted on 04/02/2005 3:50:49 PM PST by conservative cat
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That's a welcome break, if only for a moment. Each of the stories about individual women victimized by men will go on for years and years, though. Republican discussion is dominated by those. It's a tactic used in women's studies programs (and even by early feminists) to brainwash the populace into their belief that all men are evil.

Our Republican legislators helped to pass Clinton's VAWA, Child Support Act and so on. Expect them to help the Democrats erect colosseums soon.


7 posted on 04/02/2005 3:55:48 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Roman.)
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To: conservlib
So there are more women's magazines then men's. I guess if more guys could read . . .

Sorry, I couldn't resist that whine of yours.

8 posted on 04/02/2005 3:56:07 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: conservlib

you got that right.

not to mention the colleges and universities of america that have "hate men" feminist instruction.

speaking of which, today i was at the university library, asked a female librarian a question, and she yelled at me.

now, if a guy did that in a library...uh...what would happen?

getting bitched-down happens everyday.


9 posted on 04/02/2005 3:57:54 PM PST by ken21 ( if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: CareyRoberts

Depressing.I would think these men would be able to file a lawsuit.Looks like the system is anti-male.I wasn't aware of the problems kids have without a Dad.


10 posted on 04/02/2005 4:01:11 PM PST by thombo
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Well, for what it's worth, my dad was far from wealthy, as a matter of fact most of you would think he was poor by today's standards and he still gave child support and never bitched about it. Granted, it wasn't exhorborant but my father would have never turned his back on my brother and I.


11 posted on 04/02/2005 4:02:07 PM PST by ShadowDancer (As for the types of comments I make,sometimes I just, By God,get carried away with my own eloquence.)
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A lot of times if a man tried to get the support lowered, and he doesn't have a lawyer...it's will be raised. My boyfriend pays almost 1.3 of his monthly salary for 1 kid.
12 posted on 04/02/2005 4:04:52 PM PST by ReeWalker
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To: ReeWalker

I mean 1/3 of his salary


13 posted on 04/02/2005 4:05:45 PM PST by ReeWalker
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To: CareyRoberts

When you reward people to get a divorce that is what they are going to do. Insanity !


14 posted on 04/02/2005 4:06:01 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: big'ol_freeper; RogerFGay

Thanks for the ping, my friend.

A good article except it slants toward minority, low-income men as being the main victims of this apparatus.

It also does not identify the child-worshipping mommy culture that currently exists and undermines marriages like termites eating a wood-framed house.

Being neither a "minority" nor "low-income," my experiences in court are such that I will never forget facing the gynocracy that has sprung up wrt this.

You are assumed guilty and incapable of voluntary payment (thank you Bill Clinton).

The child support "guidelines" offer no appeal.

The recipient of the child support does not have to count the money as income.

The involuntary giver of the child support receives no tax benefit from it.

Godgov now has an IRS form that you have to have the ex "agree" to using a child as a dependent on the tax form no matter what was stipulated in the settlement agreement.
Getting my ex to sign the form has now morphed into an annual event (the form allows 2 options: annually or once for all). Oh goody.


15 posted on 04/02/2005 4:06:51 PM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: conservlib

Just look at the attention paid to breast cancer vs. prostate cancer.


16 posted on 04/02/2005 4:08:03 PM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


17 posted on 04/02/2005 4:10:01 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (World Series Champion Boston Red Sox!! Has a nice ring to it.)
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To: thombo
Old news. And.. it is probably going to get worse. Hillary, and other women, want "universal child support", where ALL single men would pay child support, even if they had never been with a woman in their lives. And, judging by some of the FReeper women around here, probably a lot of them, would think "that sounds fair", to make a man pay for some other woman's kids, fathered by some other man, thousands of miles away. You know... "it takes a village, to raise a child, and all men have to feed the kitty"...

All in all. ...... ALL PART OF THE BIG PLAN...
18 posted on 04/02/2005 4:18:26 PM PST by Rca2000 (America, oh America, I MISS YOU!!!!!)
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To: sauropod

Yep. Men need to be more activist about the issue. You'd not believe the number of men who don't think it's bad that they have frequent night urination,etc.etc. and some are in denial when they diagnosed with cancer.


19 posted on 04/02/2005 4:20:03 PM PST by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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uh oh.

Time to make the appointment...


20 posted on 04/02/2005 4:21:30 PM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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