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HANOI JANE COMES CLEAN
Neal Nuze ^ | 04/01/05 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 04/01/2005 11:05:41 AM PST by NotchJohnson

HANOI JANE COMES CLEAN

The former Mrs. Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, has come out with a new book. She is making the rounds doing publicity...and she has given an interview to '60 Minutes' that will air this Sunday. In it, she admits (sort of) that she was wrong to go to North Vietnam and visit an anti-aircraft gun site used to shoot down U.S. pilots. Well isn't that nice....but she's a bit late, don't you think?

Fonda says that her trip to the gun site some 33 years ago was a "betrayal" of the U.S. military, its soldiers and "the country that gave me privilege." She calls the picture of her sitting on the enemy gun barrel the largest lapse of judgment she can imagine. Really. So what about the whole decision to visit North Vietnam in the first place? She won't apologize for that. No, Hanoi Jane will only apologize for posing for pictures with enemy weaponry. She won't apologize for being photographed with American POWs, nor will she apologize for going on Radio Hanoi and being a propaganda mouthpiece for the Viet Cong.

Jane Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of the United States during a time of war. We used to call that treason, and there are people sitting in prison for it. Somehow, Jane Fonda got away with it...and now she wants us all to relieve her of her guilty conscience.


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To: NotchJohnson
Evidently she is feeling a little guilty these days.

Bullsqueeze. She's got a new movie coming out soon, and thinks she'll --

A. Up the box office by trying to sucker a bunch of us into thinking she's remorseful over what she did.

B. Preemptively try to defuse the criticism that's sure to come her way once the promotion for the movie begins ("She apologized. You right-wing knuckle draggers need to get over it!")

61 posted on 04/01/2005 1:11:45 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: maxwellp

"Not buying it, nor will I ever forgive her."

I was in Saigon when the word came out she was in Hanoi - she went from worshipped goddess in my heart and mind to despised scum in less than a heartbeat - I was amazed at the polarity and speed of the emotional shift.

Nor will I ever forgive her.


63 posted on 04/01/2005 3:20:44 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: NotchJohnson

Too little too late Janie!

64 posted on 04/01/2005 3:23:50 PM PST by jetson (throne)
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To: John Lenin
Jane, your legacy is written in stone and celluloid. Now, go jump off a bridge ...

Perhaps you could drive her there...using your knees. :o)

65 posted on 04/01/2005 3:28:03 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: devolve; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; ALOHA RONNIE; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; potlatch; ntnychik; ...
HANOI JANE TRAITOR

66 posted on 04/01/2005 3:45:50 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: NotchJohnson

She is just trying to peddle her book.


67 posted on 04/01/2005 3:48:26 PM PST by Dante3
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To: NotchJohnson

She is just trying to peddle her book.


68 posted on 04/01/2005 3:50:14 PM PST by Dante3
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To: NotchJohnson

At least this traitor didn't convince a major political party to run her for president. I'll give her that much.


69 posted on 04/01/2005 3:51:20 PM PST by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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To: PhilDragoo; Cool Multiservice Soldier; OneLoyalAmerican; Defender2; The Sailor; txradioguy; ...

"Hanoi Jane gave aid and comfort to the enemy of the United States during a time of war. We used to call that treason, and there are people sitting in prison for it. Somehow, Jane Fonda got away with it...and now she wants us all to relieve her of her guilty conscience."

Uphold the US Constituion!

Too bad the "Move On" FReepers just don't understand
the real threat that the likes of Hanoi Kerry pose to our country.

I just don't understand their reasoning in saying
"drop it", "your wasting your time", "give it up" etc.

Some even howl when I remind them the job is NOT done.

Well I have news for them.

I've been posting threads
on the Viet Nam anti war "crowd"
almost from day one on FR.

Wicked Witch of the West: Hanoi Jane Exposed in New Book
Hanoijane.net ^ | HENRY MARK HOLZER and ERIKA HOLZER,PhilDragoo

Posted on 10/30/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/560260/posts

So why do they think I'll stop now?

Don't be like the Silent Majority in the 60's and 70's
Demand Kerry be ousted from the US Senate!

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

Kerry was an illegal candidate
and is an illegal US Senator per
US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS


Contact the GOP controlled US Senate!

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com




71 posted on 04/01/2005 4:05:40 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: PhilDragoo; All





72 posted on 04/01/2005 4:10:27 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Warrior Nurse; Taxman; Veritas et equitas ad Votum; krunkygirl; ...
Hey Tonk and fellow Vets and all FReepers,

Read this great piece of writing by one of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, my friend Pete Webster of Jacksonville, Florida:

The morning news had a teaser about this, and the Drudge Report carried the story today, of the interview Jane Fonda gave to host journalist, Leslie Stahl, which will appear on 60 minutes later this weekend. She admitted she betrayed the country when she posed on the anti-air craft gun in Hanoi and said it was a tremendous "lapse of judgment" on her part, but still refused to apologize for her anti-war speeches that she gave on Hanoi radio and her exploitation of the POWs. The article went on to say:

She wouldn't make similar broadcasts in Iraq today, however, saying, "I don't think it's the same situation at all. When I went [to North Vietnam]...we had been fighting in Vietnam for eight years. The majority of Americans...[and] Congress opposed the war. It was a desperate time."

With this opinion, I take great umbrage. Why does the length of time we had been fighting excuse the betrayal? Would she have stayed home and supported the troops if we had only been fighting for three years? Had she ever made a USO tour, or a benefit for the troops, in any of those preceding years? Bah! Humbug! Does the unpopularity of the war make betrayal acceptable? Is any war ever "popular? Don't you think some folks, in 1943, felt WWII, "Mr Roosevelt's war." was unpopular? Let's examine why the war in Viet Nam was so unpopular.

Wasn't it unpopular due to the unrelenting attack by the left that she represented and due to the spin by the liberal bias in the press? In some studies, authors have claimed the left has opposed any war against communism, because many of those, especially in Hollywood, have roots in the communist movement. We, more than anyone else, now how the media and Hollywood can create a false consciousness out of the political activism of a few radicals like Fonda. She said the government lied to us, but wasn't that the spin the liberal press put on it? We have just watched the media attempt to do the same thing with the war in Iraq, but thanks to the Internet, they have been thwarted by the people at large and not able to create a false consciousness about the war as they did with Viet Nam.

If we had operated an Internet in the USA in 1965, no radical leftist professors on any campus could have sold the concept the war as a civil war, unjust, or immoral, because folks could have gone to a search engine like Google or Ask Jeeves and found out that Viet Nam had never been a unified country that was torn with internal strife, but had always been, for thousands of years, three separate countries, Cochin, Annan, and Tonkin, with three separate capitols, Saigon, Hue and Hanoi, and three separate cultures and legal systems, totally independent. They could have easily found out that the north was the outside aggressor and that we had treaty obligations to defend a member state like the south, the same way that Australia, Thailand and Korea did. Nothing immoral about that, nor unjust. If we had an Internet and armies of bloggers, the WW II vets might have rallied, like the Swift Vets did, and come to our aid when the radical professors began telling their students to spit on us. Who knows? All I am saying is that our assistance to help Iraq is no different in substance than our aid was to South Viet Nam. Both were altruistic and noble efforts to help a people over come the grip of tyranny and enjoy a greater degree of freedom than offered by a brutal, totalitarian regime like Ho's or Saddam's and we should stop letting the left, a la Jane Fonda, try to excuse their wrong behavior, by disguising betrayal in the cloak of a distinction without a difference. Wrong then; wrong now.

Pete Webster,
LT USN, Diving Officer
USS Tutuila ARG 4
An Thoi, Nha Be, Rung Sat Special Zone

73 posted on 04/01/2005 4:20:21 PM PST by Chieftain (Thanks to the Swift Boat Veterans, Vietnam Veterans, and POW's for Truth for standing tall.)
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To: Chieftain

"The majority of Americans...[and] Congress opposed the war. It was a desperate time."

Dumb a$$ bit**!

What the he** did think the silent majority was!

Too bad Nixon ignored them
and caved into the low life hippy scum!


74 posted on 04/01/2005 4:25:41 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: Chieftain

>Rung Sat Special Zone

If this guy worked the Rung Sat, he was/is a good/hard dude.


75 posted on 04/01/2005 4:27:21 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Chieftain; All
26 Sep 1945 - The first death of an American serviceman in Vietnam occurred.
OSS (Office of Special Operations) Major (Lieutenant Colonel) A. Peter Dewey
was killed in action by the Communist Vietminh near Hanoi.

May 1950 President Harry S Truman authorised $10 million in aid to the French for their war in Viet Nam.
By January 1951, $150 million had been given in aid.

1953-61 Dwight D. Eisenhower 34th US President
1953-61 Richard M. Nixon Vice President
1953 - The US is supporting the French in the amount of $1 billion per year--
33% of all US foreign aid--which is 80% of the total cost to the
. US Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles (under Eisenhower) first voices the 'Domino Theory':
if one country in Southeast Asia falls to the Communists, they will all fall, one by one.
12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends 1st 350 U.S. advisers to South Vietnam
to train the South Vietnamese Army
8 Jun 56 - The first American of record to die in Vietnam
was Air Force Tech Sergeant Richard B. Fitzgibbon Jr.
His son, Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, died in Vietnam Sep 7, 1965.
8 Jun 56 Has been formally recognized by the Pentagon as the first American officially to die in that war.
5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are
"involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina" 1956 The US believed in that Ho Chi Minh would have won any election held in Viet Nam and used their influence over the government of the State of Viet Nam to ensure that the election was not held




From a Must Visit Site
Vipers Vietnam Veterans Page, A Vietnam Veteran & Proud Web Site
About Vietnam

The Vietnam war was the longest in our nation's history.
1st American advisor was killed on June 08, 1956,

and the last casualties in connection with the war occurred on May 15, 1975, during the Mayaquez incident. Approximately 2.7 million Americans served in the war zone; 300,000 were wounded and approximately 75,000 permanently disabled. Officially there are still 1,991 Americans unaccounted for from SE Asia.

Vietnam was a savage, in your face war where death could and did strike from anywhere with absolutely no warning. The brave young men and women who fought that war paid an awful price of blood, pain and suffering. As it is said: "ALL GAVE SOME ... SOME GAVE ALL"
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield. No American force in ANY other conflict fought with more determination or sheer courage than the Vietnam Veteran.  For the first time in our history America sent it's young men and women into a war run by inept politicians who had no grasp of military strategies and no moral will to win. They were led by "top brass" who were concerned mainly with furthering their own careers, most neither understood the nature of the war nor had a clue about the impossible mission with which they'd tasked their soldiers.  And the war was reported by a self serving Media who penned stories filled with inaccuracies, deliberate omissions, biased presentations and blatant distorted interpretations because they were more interested in a story than the truth! It can be debated that we should never have fought that war. It can also be argued that the young Americans who fought so courageously, never losing a single major battle, helped in a huge way to WIN THE COLD WAR.

76 posted on 04/01/2005 4:28:04 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Jane Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of the United States during a time of war. We used to call that treason, and there are people sitting in prison for it. Somehow, Jane Fonda got away with it...and now she wants us all to relieve her of her guilty conscience.

Thanks for the ping brother! We will never forgive or forget the Hanoi whore bitch and her partner in crime,the traitor Kerry, for aiding and abetting the enemy.

77 posted on 04/01/2005 4:34:32 PM PST by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return With Honor")
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To: NotchJohnson

She could bathe every hour on the hour but she'll never come clean.


78 posted on 04/01/2005 4:35:48 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks tonk..


79 posted on 04/01/2005 4:41:14 PM PST by duck duck goose (dont forget to set your clocks forward on saturday night)
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To: NotchJohnson

Hanoi Jane is co-starring in a movie with J-Lo to be released in May.
My family won't be watching it at the theater or renting the DVD.
No offense against Jennifer Lopez intended.


80 posted on 04/01/2005 4:44:45 PM PST by sarasmom
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