Posted on 04/01/2005 7:47:01 AM PST by marshmallow
Thank you syriacus. I get touchy when Fr. Pavone is abused.
I don't know if it was live or not - Pavone was on at the same time, though - it must've been Scarborough, because I remember him having Pavone on - and he agreed with the version and, when challenged, backed far away from claiming that 'Michael ordered the family out at the moment of death."
I know a good deal about Russell actually.
I like the quote. I also like Russell's quote that "the time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." I guess that makes me an atheist, too - even though Russell wasn't.
Sloppy. Russell would be disappointed. I never said you were an atheist. I said you appeared to be an admirer of Russell. I still believe that.
Russell was an atheist. And a most enthusiastic opponent of organised religion.
Ok...thanks...
I'm looking for it
"I stated that I chose to disregard Felos' version in favor of Bobby's..."
No, you stated, in post #49, that "...the reason he protested leaving was not because Terri was going to die in the next few minutes, but because the last time it was "Michael's turn" to be in the room had lasted for several hours and Bobby did not want to be excluded again for that length of time...
It didn't take much for that to get turned into "Michael made the family leave at the moment of death," however."
Thus, you exonerated Michael by your exclusion of any other explanation.
This being your conclusory statement, you left no such indication that there were opposing views (and the opposing views in this case came from the Schiavo camp itself, no less).
The FACTS are that there are ALREADY numerous versions of what happened in those last few minutes (most being given by Mr. Felos himself). Your version of the Bobby Schindler comments that you have produced in post #49 have been challenged, and you seem to be somewhat alone in your remembrance of the Scarborough show, or whatever.
MS did himself no favor by not inviting the family in during the last moments, no matter whether he ordered them out, or whether he simply took advantage of the "my turn" rule (if there ever was such a rule). This action has spite written all over it.
I am so impressed, that you are capable of hanging a label on the man that he himself didn't think was a proper description of his beliefs. I guess you know more about his thoughts than he did himself.
Sorry, but I respectfully see that as spin. Understandable from any side I guess tho, as it goes back to what I said about who you believe.
Yeah, I caught that too.
There's a wee problem with that Felos logic: Father Pavone didn't utter that "venom" until AFTER the Schindlers were already kicked out of the room, and after Terri was already dead.
"MS did himself no favor by not inviting the family in during the last moments, no matter whether he ordered them out, or whether he simply took advantage of the "my turn" rule (if there ever was such a rule). This action has spite written all over it."
This about sums up the way I see it too.
"Father Pavone didn't utter that "venom" until AFTER the Schindlers were already kicked out of the room, and after Terri was already dead."
Yes! Thank you! I was trying to focus on what disturbed me about Felos' statement and now I get it- that's IT.
So, it it your understanding of the "facts" that everyone, including Michael and Bobby, knew that she was about to die and Michael therefore ordered the family out?
My daughter's pet iguana was more sympathetic to humans than Felos.
On "Fox and Friends" this morning I could see his throat moving quite a bit, right before he first spoke. Like he was uncomfortable. Not exactly "Gulp. Gulp. Gulp," but something similar. I didn't notice any other guests' throats moving like that.
Maybe Felos is now under pressure to neatly tie up the loose ends. His efforts could still be found wanting, according to the thinking of those he has so faithfully served.
Meaningless.
Michael Schiavo doesn't consider himself to be a murderer. John Gotti considered himself to be a "business man". So what? We all must accept their image of how they see themselves?
Russell's estimation of his own pigeon hole was as fallacious as most of his other beliefs.
Got a problem with me? Then you have a problem with the atheists, too. He is considered, in atheistic circles, to be among the Patron Saints of Atheism
In any event, whether atheist or agnostic, it is indisputable that he was hostile to organized religion.
He's a brave soul, speaking the truth. A prophet, in a way. God bless him.
In response to a question (I think from Alan Colmes) regarding Felo's pretty-pretty description of the death scene, Father Pavone got pretty agitated.
He said Terri's last minutes were "anything but" peaceful and serene. He said Terri appeared to be gasping desperately for breath, and that the expression on her face was one of "fear." Terri's brother and sister were stroking her arm and her hair and trying to comfort her.
Father Pavone used the word "sugar-coating" to describe Felos's portrayal of Terri's death.
I read that as just a very wordy way of you saying that you DO know more about his beliefs, and where they fit into the spectrum of belief systems, than he did himself. Good for you.
Hmmm... I thought I heard Pavone say that he wasn't there. Oh, well.
What he did was evil.
Forget about me for a moment.
In atheistic circles, Russell is revered. Widely.
What does that tell you?
Father Pavone was with Terri until ten minutes before her death. But you knew that.
Oh, but wait -- I get it now! -- you think that Terri's condition in her last night minutes changed from desperate and fearful to "peaceful, calm, and serene." Right after the Schindlers were kicked out!
Aw, how sweet. And oh so pretty, with that cute little cuddly toy under her arm. And I've got a pretty bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you too.
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