Posted on 03/31/2005 8:48:54 PM PST by blam
I cannot (for the life of me) understand Why this thread got only 21 replies.
Thanks for posting.. very interesting read.
BLAM IM SHOCKED
You believe this crap?
I'm leaning very heavily in that direction, lots of supporting evidence.
Im sure the're where many lands where people lived that submerged, but... you guys don't seriously believe everything this article claims right?
1) All details of this supposed "mu" came from some "ancient tablets" that conveniently disappeared and nobody even saw or translated except for one man. That ranks high on my bullshitradar.
2) Majority of evidence is basically nothing more then vague references in other writings and cultures of 'a land' or 'a land to the east' and 'a civilisation that was destroyed' etc.
Considering how many lands and cultures and civilisations there where, is it really smart to just presume that all references to cultures and lands all refered to the same one?
3) The article claims that the description of Atlantis matches Mu-land perfectly. Well i guess there are SOO many descriptions of Atlantis that are ever so different that maybe one actually does. But he refers to Plato and Plato's description really does mention Atlantis past the Pillars of Hercule. So, not really a perfect match. Also, was there pure copper ore (orichalchum) in that land? Was there immense quantities of gold? How can the guy know, if the area is submerged? How can he possibly claim it is a perfect match?
Most of Plato's descriptions was about the structuring of the society, the marvelous buildings etc.
In place of that Sundaland there are a few "statues and blocks". How does this proof a perfect match? Are the blocks layed out in concentric circles? Is there a huge canal?
Still claiming that the description fits seems like hammering the evidence to fit the theory to me.
4) The whole concept of one sole culture sending emissaries to every corner of the world to teach the poor smucks how to peel a banana and lay one piece of stone on another also scores high on my bullshit radar.
But I could be convinced if there was some evidence. Like, hundreds of identical ship drawings all over the world with "Mu" written underneath. Or, African -type skeletons buried all over the world, preferrably with the same artefacts in their graves.
Do you guys realize the scale of such an enterprise?
And no evidence but a few references to unnamed cultures and lands in writings, who could be refering to about every culture and land, and the supposed translations of old tablets of which nobody ever heard of till some guy wrote a book claiming he discovered them, and nobody ever heard again from.
This is NOT science.
"Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago."
I have an open mind. I'll even list to your ideas about Atlantis.
What are they?
Ideas? sure. Aslong as I dont have to make up evidence to be interesting enough to get people to read it. That is the current way to go right?
I think the story of Atlantis told by Plato is as interesting as any story told by one ancient guy. And there are a lot. However, since Aztecs mention that there used to be this great empire called Atlan, and since
Atlan and Tis are Aztec and Inca words meaning City and Water, and Plato talks about how Atlantis was so tied to the sea, im willing to believe that Atlantis may have been located on or next to south america.
South america itself is after all past the pillars of Hercule, and it contains plenty of gold and copper.
Not to mention piramids, which everyone associates with Atlantis anyway.
Just because Plato said that Atlantis went down in the sea, doesnt necessarily mean that it is completely at the bottom of the sea. Perhaps only some of the islands, perhaps part of the coast, perhaps only the capital city. Perhaps not at all and the culture was only destroyed by a flood.
When half of Washington would burn to the ground, wouldn't newspapers claim that "Washington burns"?
Wouldn't that day be remembered as the day that Washington "went down in flames"?
Even though only half the city burned!People like dramatizing.
Besides, looking at the devastation of one tsunami,
i can imagine what it might do to a culture, who's majopr cities would have been localised at the coast, without foreign aid, canned food or emergency workers. Ir would end it.
This is only an idea, and i don't postulate that there is "in fact more evidence is cited here than for most other currently accepted theories for other civilizations" as that moron claims who postulated his idea.
One last post. This is from Plato's dialogues:
Plato's accounts of Atlantis are in his works Timaeus and Critias. These philosophical dialogues, usually dated to the 360s BC, are the earliest known references to Atlantis. The Timaeus begins with an introduction, followed by an ccount of the creations and structure of the universe and ancient civilizations. In the introductory portion, Socrates muses on the perfect society (as described in Plato's Republic) and wonders if he and his guests could come up with a story which puts this society into action. Critias mentions an allegedly historical tale that he would make the perfect example, and follows up by describing Atlantis in the Critias dialogue, mainly its origins and form. (Ancient Athens represented the "perfect society," and Atlantis the opponent, representing the opposite of the "perfect" traits described in the Republic.) Critias' account is purported to have originated from a visit to Egypt by the Athenian lawgiver Solon, where Sonchis, priest of Thebes, translated it into Greek for him.
According to Critias, the Hellenic gods of old divided the land so that each god might own a lot; Poseidon was appropriately, and to his liking, bequeathed the island of Atlantis. The island was larger than Libya and Asia Minor combined, but has since been sunk by an earthquake and became an impassable mud shoal, inhibiting travel between the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. The Egyptians described Atlantis as an island approximately 700 km across, comprising mostly mountains in the northern portions and along the shore, and encompassing a great plain of an oblong shape in the south "extending in one direction three thousand stadia [about 600 km], but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia [about 400 km]."
Fifty stadia inland from the middle of the southern coast was a "mountain not very high on any side." Here lived a native woman with whom Poseidon fell in love and who bore him five pairs of male twins. The eldest of these, Atlas, was made rightful king of the entire island and the ocean (now the Atlantic Ocean), and was given the mountain of his birth and the surrounding area as his fiefdom. Atlas's twin Gadeirus or Eumelus in Greek, was given the easternmost portion of the island which also lay at its northern extreme facing Gades, a town in southern Spain. The other four pairs of twins — Ampheres and Evaemon, Mneseus and Autochthon, Elasippus and Mestor, and Azaes (the Azores?) and Diaprepes — "were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the open sea."
Poseidon carved the inland mountain where his love dwelt into a palace and enclosed it with three circular moats of increasing width, varying from one to three stadia and separated by rings of land proportional in size. The Atlanteans then built bridges northward from the mountain, making a route to the rest of the island. They dug a great canal to the sea, and alongside the bridges carved tunnels into the rings of rock so that ships could pass into the city around the mountain; they carved docks from the rock walls of the moats. Every passage to the city was guarded by gates and towers, and a wall surrounded each of the city's rings. The walls were constructed of red, white and black rock quarried from the moats, and were covered with brass, tin and orichalcum, respectively.
According to Critias, 9,000 years before his lifetime, a war took place between those outside the Pillars of Heracles and those who dwelt within them. The Atlanteans had conquered the Mediterranean as far east as Egypt and the continent into Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery. The Athenians led an alliance of resistors against the Atlantean empire and as the alliance disintegrated, prevailed alone against the empire, liberating the occupied lands. “But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea."
"South america itself is after all past the pillars of Hercule, and it contains plenty of gold and copper. Not to mention piramids, which everyone associates with Atlantis anyway."
Thanks. I have considered this area too as have many others, Jim Allen's Historic Atlantis In Bolivia. Dr Robert Schoch believes these people were refugees from Sundaland when it went underwater at the end of the Ice Age. This can be found in his book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders
LOL, I had some PhD's do a study that showed how the Gulf Of Mexico could have been blocked off and isolated from the world's oceans during the Ice Age and when the waters rose and the dam broke, Atlantis was flooded. I thought of that idea while trying to explain how man-made (?)(the jury is still out) structures came to be lying under 2,500 feet of water off the western edge of Cuba.
Were the Chapoapoyas (of South America) exiled workers from the gold mines (ophir) of King Solomon?
I think there are a lot of big suprises for us in South America, yet.
Im sure the're where many lands where people lived that submerged, but... you guys don't seriously believe everything this article claims right?Blam likes the ideas in Oppenheimer's book, me, not so much. But regarding belief, I post a lot of topics that I don't necessarily agree with, just because they are food for thought. There are FReepers who don't like this or that, and I'm one of them :') but I don't get all that hot and bothered any longer, other than last week...
I cannot (for the life of me) understand Why this thread got only 21 replies.Wow. Post something like that in my Illinois Bison DNA topic, willya? ;')
It's all theory, everyone know that. Geez, don't get so bent out of shape over a theory. If it was conclusive, it would be headlines all over the world.
Everyone is looking for proof/evidence for their theories. That's all.
Oops, what did I miss last week?
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