Posted on 03/31/2005 7:05:48 PM PST by wagglebee
“After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest. Columba and I offer our condolences to Mr. and Mrs. Schindler, Bobby Schindler, Suzanne Vitadamo and to all those who offered their prayers and support to Terri’s family over these past weeks, months and years. These prayers were not in vain.
“Many across our state and around the world are deeply grieved by the way Terri died. I feel that grief very sharply as well. I remain convinced, however, that Terri’s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.
“I still firmly believe that human life is a gift and a mystery, and that its mystery is most evident at its beginning and ending. May all of us whose hearts were moved during the life of Terri Schiavo grow in wisdom at its ending.”
and idiotic - I'm outta here. This string is dominated by a bunch of DUers or them that should be
Shut up Judas! /sarcasm
Well, I remember the era of the iron lung. Would that be the same? Also, if a person suffers an injury which cannot be healed and cannot eat, doesn't the injury then cause the death because the body would be unable to sustain itelf without the aid of an artificial device?
Since when is any governor or president a 'helpless bystander'
what an enabling crock
When it was time to force the issue of desegregation in the south..there was little doubt as to who the bosses where and how far they were willing to go to do what was right...
This was white feather time here...and egg laying time...
and worrying about your political a$$ time here and that is all it was...
and meanwhile evil men killed and innocent girl all nice and legal like..
Hitlers people claimed to have the rule of law on their side as well...killed millions all nice and legal like..
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing..
imo
Ironically, the issue you mentioned there (I'll assume that everything you've suggested is true) is precisely why the government shouldn't be involved in something like medical care in the first place. As soon as the state starts paying costs like this, human lives become nothing more than financial liabilities that are inevitably going to be valued in purely economic terms.
That and the fact that she was young AND responsive; she was NOT in a vegetative state. I have'nt seen or heard of any other case like that.
What would the cause of death be? Injury, or starvation?
It must be wonderful to be able to read another person's mind.
This is the very kind of censorious judgement which Jesus forbade.
Well you just lost all credibility, or any sense of reality.
You're part of the problem; NOT the solution.
I was trying to use your logic. The cause would have been the injury. If there had been no injury nothing would have happened. So if someone is unable to live without a respirator due to injury and you said that would be the cause of death, I still fail to see the difference. Suffocation or starvation.
Excellent!
Correct!
I'll be sure he gets the message.
Read what mercyme posted a few days ago in another thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1371538/posts
What I find ironic is that in both cases the innocent party got screwed royally.
You're making the same kind of argument that the pro death crowd makes about abortion, that the pro life crowd is hypocritical in that we are against abortion, but for the death penalty. One kills the innocent, the other kills the guilty. There is nothing hypocritical about about it.
Clinton screwed an innocent boy, Bush could have saved an innocent woman from death. There is nothing hypocritical about being in favor of one action and against the other.
"There are too many legal scholars who take different sides of the issues surrounding this case for it to be clear. In such circumstances I find it disturbing that everyone is willing to blame the Bush's for not doing any more. Well, I'm on record as saying that I don't think they could have carried it any further and still retain any credibility that the conservatives are for the rule of law. We don't like what happened; it wasn't the lack of following the law that resulted in this situation, but it was the lack of a clear and concise legal understanding of what the law really is."
Its this kind of mealy-mouthed, weak-kneed, chickens**t thinking that led directly to Terri Schiavo's murder. If the legal issues were so confusing that no one could say definitively what the hell the law allowed, then why couldn't the Governor err on the side of stopping this horrific atrocity. For too damn long "conservatives" have lamented the creeping judicial tyranny that they decry, but don't have the stones to stop. Both Bush brothers played the suckers game with the "legal experts" by letting the attorneys who wanted Terri dead call the shots, ultimately leading to her slow starvation, yet I'm supposed to believe that every legal scholar that pointed out the executive authority that these guys had to stop this thing were somehow not credible. Bulls**t! The lamentable facts are that the Bush brothers, and the "Governor" in particular, just sat on their asses and let this killing of an innnocent woman occur on their watch without doing anything more than talking blathering bulls**t legalese. This will go down to their everlasting infamy! If Bush needed to act proactively in Afghanistan and Iraq to put things right, surely action was necessary to correct the Terri Schiavo travesty! Both Bush's were AWOL on this one!
I would've called in Bill and Hillary if I thought it would save my daughter (couldn't have been any worse than what they got from the Bushes)!
Of course they allowed "camera hogs" to get involved. That's what they needed: publicity, not some meely-mouthed "can we all just get along" rhetoric that passes for most of the Republican leadership these days.
It seems you're faulting the Schindlers based on political preferences and not relying on card-carrying Republicans. This trascends political preferences. Their daughter was being slowly and painfully starved to death! They were desperate. Have you no ounce of compassion for them?
How 'bout some of that "conservative" compassion that we keep hearing about?
While everyone has been pointing fingers at each other and claiming the other has overstepped their legal boundaries (President, Governor, Congress, Judiciary) a woman has died while we all watched.
My only question is this: Whose job is it to protect the citizens of this country from having something like this happen to them or their loved ones if it isn't the job of the President, Governor, Congress or the Judiciary?
Well you just lost all credibility, or any sense of reality.
Well, they are extremely successful in swaying public opinion. Here we only had 51 votes in the Senate on the budget bill for the ANWR issue, when there are what, 54 Republican Senators? They were extremely successful in influencing the Senate not to vote to kick Clinton out of office. And on numerous other issues.
They've been fighting Bush tooth and nail on any initiative he puts forth; not on the merits, but on the fact that it's a Republican President putting forth the concept. It's obvious that their oppostion is to the man, not the issue; they cannot allow the Republicans to win, and the basis for their opposition is partisanship only, and the American people are so cynical, they refuse to see it. They are winning the PR battle, and if we're not careful, we'll lose some House seats and control of the Senate in 2006, even though because of the RINOs, it's a fictional control. I believe that if we didn't attack every one on our side of the fence any time they "step out of line" on any issue, we'd be more successful. The liberals are much better at playing the game of "divide and conquer" than we are. We're doing our own dividing without their help.
I think my credibility is intact.
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