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Eagles up. Contact judiciary commitee and demand justice be done for Terri and for us.
self | 3/31/05

Posted on 03/31/2005 4:12:56 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross

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To: longtermmemmory
I like a lot of your ideas and have many comments but it's tough to type them up with a broken wrist and a job to keep. :-)

Let me just address one, which I think gets to the core:

The goal should be fostering the "culture of life". From this prism all other decisions and policies will flow.

I think it's not just a "culture of death" that is the problem. It's a culture of "lack of respect for people" and "lack of respect for rights". So...I think we need to foster a culture of respect for rights. One of those rights is life.

That's the basis of our republic. Co-equal rights of Life and Liberty must be respected.

That's where the conservative divide is, though. Many do not really respect life or people...they just want "life at all costs"...which to me is not respectful of an individual's life.

161 posted on 04/01/2005 4:50:49 AM PST by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Jeff Head
In matters like these, public opinion, prevailing professional opinion, the potential for conflict, etc. are all meaningless in the face of the travesty. What has meaning is what is right and the defense of unalienable rights. You do that at all costs. That is what we needed here IMHO.

Precisely. In matters such as these, there is a right and there is a wrong.....there are no grey areas, they cannot be subject to individual whim; individuals within our society can and do commit the most heinous acts....which is why there are laws to protect victims from them, polls regarding the "right" to commit acts of violence notwithstanding.

162 posted on 04/01/2005 4:58:18 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: longtermmemmory

very good thoughts.


163 posted on 04/01/2005 5:02:34 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

That is the truth! It makes me so mad!!


164 posted on 04/01/2005 5:09:25 AM PST by Halls
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Something should be addressed concerning investigations into a guardian when there are allegations of abuse, neglect, etc.

Greer refused to allow DCF access to records or perform an investigation.

It also appears that politics influenced McCabe, who put a quash on DCF performing an investigation earlier in this matter.

This means, DCF was not allowed to investigate two different times.

I believe what Greer and McCabe did was against the law....nevertheless, the District Court of Appeals went along with that, effectively cancelling out DCF's authority, from the other branch of government (legislative), from which DCF derives its powers, to perform a necessary component in doing its job (investigating allegations of abuse/neglect), by upholding Greer's decision to forbid DCF from doing its job.

On matters concerning abuse and neglect, the courts have now set a precedent, it seems, presuming the alleged neglect/crimes were NOT committed by Michael, by presuming his innocence of the allegations, before DCF could perform its statutory duties/function to ascertain whether the overwhelming allegations made against Michael, who was a party to a case where he stands to gain in some way (material or otherwise, in this case, killing Terri), were true.


165 posted on 04/01/2005 5:18:25 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; Halls

That's why I no longer watch Fox. They intentionally have lied about this entire matter. I know this, because they were sent numerous e-mails, citing specifics, giving them links to actual court documents and other records and they sent someone in FR a snotty e-mail back basically stating that the truth of this case is what Greer says.

And because I know the facts of this matter, and because I know Fox knows the facts of this matter, yet continue to tell lies, they are not to be trusted, IMHO, with anything called "news" anymore.

And if they continue to tell lies, on what they know are lies, what other misrepresentations of truth because of their agenda do they tell?

Other than Hannity/Barnes/Gibson, no more Fox.


166 posted on 04/01/2005 5:22:34 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: PhilDragoo

One of the things that may have helped in this particular situation (maybe not too I don't know).

In ALL cases of this nature there should be an automatic Review required by Law of ALL Evidence in the case.

This should be done by a panel of Civilians very much like a Jury.

This Jury or panel should be made up of 7 to 12 people.

NONE of these people should be of the Legal or Medical Professions.

In my opinion, far too many of those particular professions cannot be trusted in these situations.

I'm just throwing out ideas right now, I'm still in shock that my country could ALLOW something like this to happen, so it may take a few days for me to really dig into this.


167 posted on 04/01/2005 5:39:58 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: PhilDragoo

Take a look at this one

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1375358/posts


168 posted on 04/01/2005 5:49:07 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: nicmarlo
I agree there. The big issue for me is neglect and possible abuse of a disabled person. Why was a State Agency, charged with the protection of our vulnerable citizens, not allowed to at least investigate the matter?

Why were they stopped by Greer?

People have been calling the DCF for years asking for them to intercede based upon sworn testimony of nurses who cared for Terri.

The issue of Guardianship is a mess as well. How is a man who will benefit from the death his wife, allowed to make statements about her wishes,with no proof, as he lives with another woman and has children. How can he be called Terri's husband with out the slightest bit of scrutiny to his motives-

Especially when we have sworn testimony that Terri was being neglected in his care.

Why did Judge Greer allow Michale to continue to be her Guardian and not fill out the proper paperwork for her care, which is required by law.

He looked the other way and kept calling MS Guardian with ultimate power over her.

I have read that MS didn't turn the paperwork in for, detailing Terri's medical care for 2001,2002,2003,2004 and 2005.

Do you happen to have any further information on that? I believe that shows bias Greer's part- and that is very serious.

169 posted on 04/01/2005 5:51:32 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; pc93; Scoop 1
pc93 may have more information concerning the guardian not turning in paperwork as required. I don't know where the documents are to prove that. scoop1, I believe, has also investigated that, but I don't recall the name of the article.

I'm not positive, but I believe pc93 put this together:

Violations of Florida Statutes against Terri Schiavo

170 posted on 04/01/2005 5:59:53 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Gondring
How would it have been violating her rights to offer her food and water by mouth? IF she didn't want it- she wouldn't have taken it. Forcing a feeding tube upon her because someone doesn't want to take the time to help her eat- or forcing a feeding tube upon her because it lays the foundation for her fake "death wish" is against her rights.
171 posted on 04/01/2005 6:01:18 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Please add me to your ping list.


172 posted on 04/01/2005 6:01:30 AM PST by Velveeta ("The litmus test is whether or not a person can bring a spoon to their mouth" G. Felos)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Please add me to your ping list


173 posted on 04/01/2005 6:03:20 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: combat_boots; FairOpinion

Violations of Florida Statutes against Terri Schiavo





744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0744/SEC3215.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0744-%3ESection%203215





(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:



(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

(VIOLATED – Her husband/guardian has failed to file such plans for a number of years. During the years in which he DID submit the required plan, he entered “NONE” as his plan of action.)



(b) To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or her rights.
(VIOLATED – The guardian courts have not required her husband/guardian to file such reports mentioned above and no consistent continuing review has taken place because of that.)



(c) To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.
(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received therapy since prior to the 1992 medical malpractice settlement in her favor which was intended to facilitate such therapy.)



(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.
(VIOLATED – deliberate acts of omission [including humane care and food and water] are considered felony abuse under the law.)



(e) To have a qualified guardian.
(VIOLATED – her husband/guardian is no longer qualified for his failure to comply with Florida law requiring annual review of guardianship, failure to properly maintain the property of the ward, failure to comply with the ward’s retained rights to necessary services and living in open adultery which is a misdemeanor under Florida law.)



(f) To remain as independent as possible, including having his or her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo is wrongfully confined to a Hospice facility and further confined to a single room without social interaction, stimulation and human company.)



(g) To be properly educated.

(VIOLATED – Terri has not received speech therapy which could enable her to communicate more effective and to manage table food. She has not received help in learning any other protocol (such as blinking) to assist her in communicating more effectively.)



(h) To receive prudent financial management for his or her property and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or she has lost the right to manage property.
(VIOLATED – Terri’s medical management fund has been all but depleted on legal fees in the pursuit of her death. More than half a million dollars has been paid to one attorney in particular. There is no evidence that Terri would have managed her funds in this way nor given any consent to such.)



(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.
(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received proper physical, occupational, speech or range of motion therapy. She has been denied treatment for simple infections and she has been denied hospitalization necessitated by serious illness.)



(j) To be free from discrimination because of his or her incapacity.
(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has been denied due process in both the guardianship and federal courts.)



(k) To have access to the courts.
(VIOLATED – See above.)



(l) To counsel.
(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was never represented during the duration of the guardianship proceedings and did not have a Florida required Guardian ad Litem assigned to represent her during the majority of the proceedings.)



(m) To receive visitors and communicate with others.
(VIOLATED – Terri’s visitor list is strictly managed by her husband/guardian who has, a number of times, barred her family, her friends and her spiritual counsel from visiting her, without the court’s prior approval and on personal whim.)



(n) To notice of all proceedings related to determination of capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.
(VIOLATED – Terri has not been legally represented in any of the guardianship proceedings and has received no counsel.)



(4) Without first obtaining specific authority from the court, as described in s. 744.3725, a guardian may not:



(a) Commit the ward to a facility, institution, or licensed service provider without formal placement proceeding, pursuant to chapter 393, chapter 394, or chapter 397.

(VIOLATED – Terri was admitted to a Hospice facility in 2000 without prior court approval and in violation of Federal laws pertaining to Hospice confinement qualifications.)



(b) Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance on the ward of any experimental biomedical or behavioral procedure or to the participation by the ward in any biomedical or behavioral experiment. The court may permit such performance or participation only if:



1. It is of direct benefit to, and is intended to preserve the life of or prevent serious impairment to the mental or physical health of the ward; or



2. It is intended to assist the ward to develop or regain his or her abilities.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was subjected to experimental implant surgery in 1993 without prior court approval and without recommendation of her attending physician. Additionally, she was transported across state lines for said surgery. Additionally, follow up care was never provided and no further maintenance services have ever been provided for the implanted electrodes.)



(c) Initiate a petition for dissolution of marriage for the ward.



(d) Consent on behalf of the ward to termination of the ward's parental rights.



(e) Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance of a sterilization or abortion procedure on the ward.



744.2025 Change of ward's residence.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0744/SEC2025.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0744-%3ESection%202025



(1) PRIOR COURT APPROVAL REQUIRED.--A guardian who has power pursuant to this chapter to determine the residence of the ward may not, without court approval, change the residence of the ward from this state to another, or from one county of this state to another county of this state, unless such county is adjacent to the county of the ward's current residence. Any guardian who wishes to remove the ward from the ward's current county of residence to another county which is not adjacent to the ward's current county of residence must obtain court approval prior to removal of the ward. In granting its approval, the court shall, at a minimum, consider the reason for such relocation and the longevity of such relocation.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was moved to a Hospice facility in 2000 by her husband without prior court approval. The Hospice House in question was served by his attorney, George Felos, in the capacity of Chairman up until that same time.)





744.3145 Guardian education requirements

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0744/SEC3145.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0744-%3ESection%203145



(4) Each person appointed by the court to be a guardian must complete the required number of hours of instruction and education within 1 year after his or her appointment as guardian. The instruction and education must be completed through a course approved by the chief judge of the circuit court and taught by a court-approved organization. Court-approved organizations may include, but are not limited to, community or junior colleges, guardianship organizations, and the local bar association or The Florida Bar.

(VIOLATED – See Above.)



798.01 Living in open adultery

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0798/SEC01.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0798-%3ESection%2001



Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Where either of the parties living in an open state of adultery is married, both parties so living shall be deemed to be guilty of the offense provided for in this section.

(VIOLATED – Michael Schiavo has cohabitated and fathered children with another woman while still married to Terri Schiavo.)
825.102 – Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of Elderly Persons and Disabled Adults.

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0825/titl0825.htm&StatuteYear=2003&Title=%2D%3E2003%2D%3EChapter%20825



(1) "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:



(a) Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon an elderly person or disabled adult;

(VIOLATED – Physical injury by denial of simple procedures to alleviate painful contractures of the hands and possible disfigurement because of said contractures. Psychological abuse in denial of company, stimulation, acts of caging.)



(b) An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult; or

(VIOLATED – Intentional denial of treatment for simple infection with the knowledge that doing so would hasten death – 1993.)



(c) Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult.

(VIOLATED – By instructing caregivers not to provide relief of contractures; by instructing doctors not to treat for simple infection.)



A person who knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.



(2) "Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" occurs when a person:



(a) Commits aggravated battery on an elderly person or disabled adult;



(b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages, an elderly person or disabled adult; or

(VIOLATED – Denial of human comfort and spiritual comfort at personal whim. Terri Schiavo is also wrongfully caged, kept confined to a single room and without stimulation or ability to be taken outside.)



(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult.

(VIOLATED – See above.)



A person who commits aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.



(3)(a) "Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:



1. A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an elderly person or disabled adult with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the elderly person or disabled adult; or

(VIOLATED – Denial of treatment of simple infection which would, admittedly, hasten death, removal of food and water, denial of medicine.)



2. A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect an elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.

(VIOLATED – The results of a 1991 bone scan, indicating multiple and serious trauma to Terri’s body were never reported or investigated by her husband/guardian.)



Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult may be based on repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or psychological injury, or a substantial risk of death, to an elderly person or disabled adult.



(b) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.



(c) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.



825.103 Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled adult; penalties.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0825/SEC103.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0825-%3ESection%20103



(b) Obtaining or using, endeavoring to obtain or use, or conspiring with another to obtain or use an elderly person's or disabled adult's funds, assets, or property with the intent to temporarily or permanently deprive the elderly person or disabled adult of the use, benefit, or possession of the funds, assets, or property, or to benefit someone other than the elderly person or disabled adult, by a person who knows or reasonably should know that the elderly person or disabled adult lacks the capacity to consent.



(2)(a) If the funds, assets, or property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or disabled adult is valued at $100,000 or more, the offender commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(VIOLATED – Funds that were awarded to Terri Schiavo have been embezzled by Michael Schiavo to pay his legal fees. These funds were awarded to Terri Schiavo as a medical management/rehabilitation settlement and remain her property. Her guardian has all but wasted her entire estate on his own legal pursuits.)







Universal Declaration of Human Rights



Adopted by UN General Assembly Resolution 217A (III) of 10 December 1948

http://fletcher.tufts.edu/multi/texts/UNGARES217A.txt



Article 3

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.



Article 5

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.



Article 6

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.



Article 7

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of the Declaration and against any

incitement to such discrimination.



Article 17

1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.



2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.



Article 18

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.



Article 25

1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
Other Items/Questions



777.04 Attempts, solicitation, and conspiracy.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0777/SEC04.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0777-%3ESection%2004





877.02 Solicitation of legal services or retainers therefor; penalty.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0877/SEC02.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0877-%3ESection%2002



(2) It shall be unlawful for any person in the employ of or in any capacity attached to any hospital, sanitarium, police department, wrecker service or garage, prison or court, or for a person authorized to furnish bail bonds, investigators, photographers, insurance or public adjusters, to communicate directly or indirectly with any attorney or person acting on said attorney's behalf for the purpose of aiding, assisting or abetting such attorney in the solicitation of legal business or the procurement through solicitation of a retainer, written or oral, or any agreement authorizing the attorney to perform or render legal services.

(Felos/Bushnell’s relationship with Hospice.)





733.504 Removal of personal representative; causes for removal.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0733/SEC504.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0733-%3ESection%20504



A personal representative may be removed and the letters revoked for any of the following causes, and the removal shall be in addition to any penalties prescribed by law:

(3) Failure to comply with any order of the court, unless the order has been superseded on appeal.

(5) Wasting or maladministration of the estate


174 posted on 04/01/2005 6:05:45 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Please add me to your ping list.


175 posted on 04/01/2005 6:13:07 AM PST by LADY J
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks for that link. I posted it so everyone could see it. I guess that is why Felos had her moved to the Hospice so she could carry out her "wish to die". What we need to do is find out what other clients Felos has or had who have had similar experiences to Terri's.

I believe we have his MO.

Take a disabled person who is an inconvenience to their guardian and develop a "wish to die" and then get them into the situation that they are on "life support" so they can be denied the life support.

How many other people will he do this to before he is stopped? He needs to be disbarred for moving Terri into the hospice in the first place.

Is everyone in this case associated with the Hemlock society and the hospices in FLA?

176 posted on 04/01/2005 6:19:23 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; mercyme; Calpernia
Is everyone in this case associated with the Hemlock society and the hospices in FLA?

Many more than you can believe!

See this thread:

Law changed by Hospice where terri is dying - More information (Unsourced)

Please note, although the title states it is "unsourced," there are sources to back up the article written by mercyme. Calpernia provided many of them. I also provided quite a few. Others have as well. There's a wealth of information on that thread.

177 posted on 04/01/2005 6:29:37 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Gondring

Well, I'll declare! She COULD HAVE REFUSED FOOD OFFERED ORALLY IF SHE HAD WANTED TO DIE!! Just as you could in THAT condition if you chose to off yourself. - Oh, I forgot. Liberals have no self-control and aren't responsible for what they do.

Just because someone sticks a burrito in your mouth doesn't mean you have to chew and swallow it if YOU choose to die instead. WHY IS IT YOU DO NOT GIVE THAT RIGHT TO ANOTHER PERSON? I could come nearer believing Mikey's foggy memory on Terri's "wishes" if he hadn't just happened to suddenly "remember" she wanted to die SEVEN YEARS into her condition and only just after he had won the malpractice lottery.

I am amazed that the world hasn't appointed YOU, GREER, MIKEY & FELOS as a "Royal Tribunal Plus One" to decide just which "useless" disabled people to euthanize. By the time that happens, surely Felos will have some spiritual experience or the other that tells him to find a MORE HUMANE WAY TO OFF THEM THAN STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION! If I offed my dog like she was taken out, I would be sitting in the county jail.


178 posted on 04/01/2005 6:45:11 AM PST by Twinkie
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To: Twinkie; Gondring

765.309 Florida Statute: Mercy Killing of Euthanasia Not Authorized; Suicide Distinguished. -- (1) Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act of omission to end the life other than to permit the natural process of dying. (2) The withholding or withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures from a patient in accordance with any provision of this chapter does not, for any purpose, constitute a suicide.

458.326 Florida Statute: Intractable Pain; Authorized Treatment. -- (4) Nothing in this section shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, and no treatment authorized by this section may be used for such purpose.

782.08 Florida Statute: Assisting Self-Murder. -- Every person deliberately assisting another in the commission of self-murder shall be guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s.775.082, s. 775.083 or s.775.084.

Florida's prohibitions against assisted suicide protects not only the terminally ill, but also the disabled, the elderly, the chronically ill, the severely handicapped.

Withholding food and water by mouth is a deliberate act to end life and is prohibited in the Florida statutes. "Helping" Terri kill herself is assisted suicide and is also prohibited in the Florida statutes.


179 posted on 04/01/2005 6:49:48 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Twinkie; Gondring; Diva Betsy Ross
744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--


180 posted on 04/01/2005 6:52:43 AM PST by nicmarlo
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