Posted on 03/31/2005 2:27:31 PM PST by goldstategop
RUSH: Having now gotten their wish in having Terri Schiavo put to death by court order, the American left is now free to turn their attention to saving Scott Peterson (news) from the same fate, which will no doubt happen. Again greetings: 800-282-2882 is the number. Terri Schiavo passed away, 9:03 this morning at the hospice down in Pinellas Park, Florida. We're going to talk about that. We'll talk about the court decision, this majority opinion written from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeal yesterday. This was incredible. It's arrogant. This judge, Mr. Birch, a Bush appointee, Bush 41 appointee, wrote an opinion yesterday. It's unbelievable. The judiciary is fighting back. This opinion lashed out at the president, lashed out at Congress, lashed out at the public, and basically ordered all other judges to stay away from this case. I have the ruling. We'll get to that in due course. (Limbaugh Legal Division: Judiciary Fights Back) Also, a great piece today from Judi McLeod, who's the editor of a newspaper in Toronto, the conflicts of interest that involve the Schiavo legal team and the sheriff and so forth and this hospice down in Pinellas Park. It's interesting because the mainstream press was all trying to find conflicts of interest on all the other sides of this issue, but when it comes to the Felos-Schiavo side of this they didn't seem to look very hard. Somebody has, and we'll pass that on to you as well. But first let's go to the audio sound bites. The president today, about 11:30, had this to say about the passing of Terri Schiavo.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Today millions of Americans are saddened by the death of Terri Schiavo. Laura and I extend or condolences to Terri Schiavo's families. I appreciate the example of grace and dignity they have displayed at a difficult time. I urge all those who honor Terri Schiavo to continue to work to build a culture of life where all Americans are welcomed and valued and protected, especially those who live at the mercy of others. The essence of civilization is that the strong have a duty to protect the weak. In cases where there are serious doubts and questions, the presumption should be in favor of life.
RUSH: Now, this is interesting. In addition to the substance of what the president said -- if you just bear with me until we get there -- the president in this statement takes a mild swipe back at this judge and the whole 11th Circuit, and I think the judiciary as well. It's very mild. You have to have read that opinion and heard some of the primary points that judge made in his opinion to understand this. The president's next sentence, by the way, talked about the president's most important responsibility is to protect the lives of the American people, and he went then into a discussion of this intelligence report, which we'll also discuss as the program unfolds today. Let's move on to more audio sound bites. Jeb Bush spoke to the press. We have two sound bites.
FLORIDA GOVERNOR JEB BUSH: It's heartbreaking, to be honest with you. My thoughts and prayers go out to her family, to all the people that wanted her to live, and to everybody. This was a very, very emotional couple of weeks. And I would hope that from this, that all of us can grow as people in terms of our appreciation for end of life issues.
RUSH: An unidentified reporter asked, "Governor Bush, do you feel like the debate and the time that's up here as taken emphasis away from this?"
GOVERNOR BUSH: This issue transcends politics and policy, and so, yes, it's taken -- deservedly so -- has taken attention away from other matters, but having said that, we've got time to deal with the policy initiatives of the leaders and the legislature and our agenda. So we'll continue to do our work.
REPORTER: Is this the toughest thing you've ever had to deal with, governor?
GOVERNOR BUSH: As governor? I had challenges in my personal life that have created the same emotional challenge, but as governor this has been the toughest.
RUSH: We move on now to one of the family priests that ministered to the Schindler family. This is the national director of Priests for Life, Father Frank Pavone, speaking to the press after the passing of Terri Schiavo.
PAVONE: Unfortunately just ten or so minutes before she died we were told that we had to leave the room because there would be an assessment of her condition and then a visitation by Michael. Bobby Schindler, her brother, said, "We want to be in the room when she dies." Michael Schiavo said, "No, you cannot," and so his heartless cruelty continues until this very last moment. At the same time, once she did pass away, we were called back into the room and at that point only the immediate family was able to go in to give her their final embraces. I stood at the doorway and offered the prayers of the church for those who have just died.
RUSH: Father Pavone wanted to add one more thing.
PAVONE: Let me just say one more thing, that this is not only a death with all the sadness that brings; this is a killing -- and for that we not only grieve that Terri has passed, but we grieve that our nation has allowed such an atrocity as this, and we pray that it will never happen again.
RUSH: Last night Scarborough Country, MSNBC. This gets hot and heavy. The guests included Catherine Crier of Court TV, Pat Buchanan and Peter Beinart, the editor of The New Republic. Buchanan says to Peter Beinart, "You know how she's dying? The way they died at Dachau, the way they died at Andersonville."
BEINART: That is an outrageous, outrageous statement.
BUCHANAN: It is not. They were starved to death and denied water.
BEINART: You know, it is outrageous for you to say --
BUCHANAN: Why do you want her dead so bad, Peter?
BEINART: She cannot feel the pain that we would feel in starvation, and compared to the Nazis, when this woman, when the court said this woman wanted to die, it's just outrageous. Outrageous.
CRIER: And Pat? How dare you, Pat? How dare you ask us how much we want this woman to die, because there is no one on the other side of this that wants her to die. If I could will her to get up, to --
BUCHANAN Well, why don't you give her some food and water?
RUSH: If you want her to live, why don't you get up and give her some food and water? You know, Buchanan is onto something here that I picked up on in the early stages of this two weeks ago. There did seem to be this unbridled enthusiasm for this woman to die. We know that there was. Catherine Crier is wrong about this. We know that there was an enthusiasm for this woman to die -- and we know why. There are several reasons. Among them, the left in this country is just frightened to death of the Christian right, and they blame the Christian right for all their electoral losses since 1994 and they want to stick it to the Christian right. Anything the Christian right can lose on, the left will be happy about, even if it takes the death of Terri Schiavo to upset the Christian right and cause the Christian right to experience a so-called loss on an issue. We also had a number of people protesting down there that were in fact anti-Bush, members of the Communist Youth League or some such thing, and they're out there eagerly hoping that Bush loses this because he was on the side of Terri Schiavo living.
So it may be a thin line. There may not have been that many people eager for her to die, but there were that many people that were eager for the Christian right and Bush to lose. Of course, the outcome is the same: Terri Schiavo dies. They're asking to suspend quite a lot of reality by saying, "We didn't have any enthusiasm for her to die," but that was the end result of these rulings. That was the end result of what these courts decided. All of these courts decided, "This woman's gotta die and nobody can give her any sustenance whatsoever," and there were people that supported that, and they did so under the guise of supporting the rule of law or supporting federalism or not supporting federalism or what have you. But it is plain as day what happened here: The United States government ordered the starvation of an innocent citizen who was not dying.
So we can add Ignorance of the Constitution to Ignorance of medicine and ignorance of the law to your resume.
Do you really think that those who suffer debilitating strokes or other major trauma and can't feed themselves should be deprived of food and water because they are "gone"?
I wonder if Christopher Reeve felt that his life was worthless at the time he became a quadrapalegic. And just who decides whether life is "destroyed" or "gone" as you insensitively posit? Ex spouses, estranged guardians? You?
By the way, I heard that prior to his accident Reeve had a living will that said "no extraordinary means" should be employed if he became severely incapacitated. He evidently decided to change that directive once he learned that he could not only continue to live but to positively contribute with his life and example. He decided that he wasn't "gone" and fortunately those around him didn't have the prerogative to decide for him.
"We"?? How many other confused DU troll mentalities suffering from cognitive dissonance are on this thread beside you and OldOxyMoron?
What makes you think you're not a burden now? I'm sure you're a burden to someone that has to put up with you. And you're dying a little each day, so why prolong it?
That was not living.
And you know this because...you are omniscient? Because her adulterous husband thought so? Because his lawyer who claims to talk to the souls of the comatose said so? Because the doctors who had a pro death agenda testified to this and they are omniscient?
What could be worse than being trapped in a useless body with a useless brain?
Living outside of sanctifying grace, dying in a state of mortal sin, being damned for all eternity. That's just a few off the top of my head. And your argument loses steam here because if her brain and body were as useless as you seem to "know" then I guess she wasn't feeling any pain, nor was she cognizant of her situation, so therefor had no suffering. Seems the only suffering ended here was Michael Shiavo's.
That was hell
Uh, no. Hell is far worse than anything anyone could ever suffer on earth, and it lasts forever.
"Even a life of the most horrible suffering, from heaven, will appear as one night's stay at a bad hotel."
St. Therese
When people have no chance to recover they should not be force fed.
She was not being forced to take nutrition against her will. It was not like she had a terminal disease, like cancer all through her body, which made her too weak to eat or something.. She was brain damaged for crying out loud. She had difficulty swallowing. Nurses who took care of her say they used to give her jello, they used to put juice on a cloth and she would suck the juice from the cloth.
I am a definite burden to lamebrains more concerned about the dead than the living.
I know so because I am NOT braindead. That was hell on earth.
I do not pretend she was in physical pain there was nothing to register pain. But her spirit must have been in agony watching this embarassing spectacle and wanting to go home.
She was force fed and I have no interest in the statements of the disgruntled and/or discharged.
Who Will Remember Terri?
By JAMES TARANTO
April 1, 2005; Page A10
"Joe Ford, a Harvard undergraduate with severe cerebral palsy: "Like many others with disabilities, I believe that the American public, to one degree or another, holds that disabled people are better off dead. To put it in a simpler way, many Americans are bigots. A close examination of the facts of the Schiavo case reveals not a case of difficult decisions but a basic test of this country's decency."
You did not answer the question. You said that food and water should be reserved for viable people. Who should we allow to decide whether a person is viable or not? Another question, what criteria would be used to decide whether or not a person was viable, especially considering the economic issue you raised? Would it be a persons ability to produce?
Actually I don't see a lot of public celebrating by the Left anymore.
I think the fact that Terri held out for almost two weeks, prolonging the media attention to the horrific scene, has made for extremely bad PR for the pro-death Left.
And I think they know it and are scared.
Btw, the Rev. Pat Mahoney has said for the last couple of days that a "Zogby poll was commissioned" (by whom, I don't know).
Mahoney said he wasn't yet free to disclose the results of the new poll, but he said that it will show a completely different picture of public opinion than those widely touted push polls from last week.
After enough damage is done through strokes or other injury the heroic medical procedures are stopped. This is common and there is no alternative.
My opinion on these matters is of no legal significance that of the medical authorities is the determinative factor and that has been in for at least a dozen years.
Reeves had the capacity to make changes in his prior determination. He was NOT brain dead or unconscious for fifteen years thus there is no comparision to this case.
Your conscience is, that's far worse.
But her spirit must have been in agony watching this embarassing spectacle and wanting to go home.
Where do you get this crap? What makes you think there is any truth to that? This is new age mumbo jumbo psycho babble, which has been a hugely successful marketing campaign of satan's to get people to choose "evil" thinking they are choosing an "alternative good".
I did answer the question. Doctors and families make these decisions every day. Most are not difficult no matter how painful. It is ONLY when courts get involved that they are dragged out. Ironic considering the hatred directed at the judge.
The presence of a functioning brain, consciousness, awareness are some of the factors in these decisions. The possibility of recovery is another.
No economic productivity is not a factor in the decision making process. Though it was in the past in many countries.
I can't even get some on the Schindler's side to admit that there has to be a limit on the amount of resources to be allocated to such cases and that we do not have infinite resources for such.
Pretty weak, justshutupandtakeit. You are on the side of wickedness and cruelty on this one. Why? Why exactly was it a good thing for the state to kill a disabled woman. Please tell us. I know, you won't even admit the truth about what really happened.
This situation has pretty clearly separated the sheep from the goats. We now know which Freepers are 'white washed tombs' full of death...looking good on the outside but foul and corrupt on the inside. Shame on you and your foul mates.
You know nothing about my conscience but happily ignore the Biblical admonition to not be judgmental. But this is typical of your side in this.
I believe in a spirit which makes up the most valuable part of the human. You do not believing the Body is All apparently.
Exactly, z. Thanks for putting into words what I could not.
You do not believing the Body is All apparently.
Apparently you have not understood anything I have written, either you're trying to build a case for yourself of invincible ignorance or your claim that you are not brain dead lacks evidence to support it.
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Then you will be attacked for "blaming the victim" should the initiation of this tragedy be examined. These people have gone beyond decency and reason. Hatred is a strong motivator here.
49 posted on 04/01/2005 9:02:55 AM CST by justshutupandtakeit
So we can add Ignorance of the Constitution .. to your resume."
Pot... Kettle... black....
A moral relativist quoting the Bible!! Wow! How quaint!
But here again - you are either a troll or are seriously misinformed. So as not to embarrass yourself in public, you might want to get your facts straight.
"The Word of God" advises his elect to judge a certain way: "righteously".
Unfortunately for moral relativists -- who don't believe in it, and therefore can't make those sorts of "judgements" -- that means judging must be done according to absolute moral "Truth". John 7:24
Moral relativists like Pilate also had a hard time understanding what constitutes "absolute moral truth", himself, so you all aren't alone. [John 18:38]
Exactly. See #78
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