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To: Spirited
I disagree, as does the Bible, with the idea that the death of the Christ is laid at the feet of the Roman government. It may be a very pc view but Scripture doesn't brook falsehoods.

Jesus' death lies at the feet of the Roman government and the Jewish government/theocracy in Judea. These two groups are a type and they represent the world. I.e., the blood and death of Jesus is on the hands of the both Jew and Gentile. We are all guilty for putting Him on the cross. Praise God, His blood washes away the sins of the world!

13 posted on 03/31/2005 12:20:20 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord
The authors of the piece wrote, ".....and the Romans tortured and murdered Jesus Christ."
The Bible is devoid of that kind of pc altered/revised history even if the Jews forced Gibson to improve upon the Word:

Peter on the subject, when in Acts 3 addressing "Ye men of Israel"
continued "the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [him] go.
Act 3:14-15 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."

Pilate, representing the Roman government, "was determined to let him go"; according to Peter. But "ye denied the Holy One and the Just"..."and killed the Prince of life.."

Perhaps we are now supposed to believe Jesus was wrong when as the Holy Spirit caused Matthew to recall in Chapter 23:31-36 Jesus said they were snakes "who would not escape the damnation of hell"
and
Mat 23:34-35 "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew ..."

Am I their judge? No, I need mercy myself and it is only obtained at the foot of the cross on which "his own" placed Him because they "received Him not".
Their persecutor? No, the Lord not only prophesied it but fulfills the prophecies as well in order to accomplilsh His purpose in them. They are portrayed as my persecuters.
Mat 23:36 “Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation."

But neither am I deceived. Jesus said they would crucify the prophets, they did (or Jesus is the liar the Jews claim he is); persecute and scourge from city to city, they did. They left Paul for dead, slew James the brother of John and crucified the Apostles to the ends of the earth, etc.

Scripture and the God of Truth does not gloss that over or endorse lying to deny anti-Christ acts either.
Witness:
Rom 11:3 “Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life” And
1Th 2:15 “Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men”:

That said it does not ignore:
Gal 1:4 “Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father”: Tts 2:14 "Who gave himself; for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people..."

Or that the killing viewed as a triumph by Satan and the Jews was employed to accomplish God's purpose:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Furthermore if they did not kill Him, who qualifies for the following very specific promise/prophecy?
Zec 12:10 “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.”
Be certain to note here that the speaker is "me whom they have pierced" the God of the Old Covenant is no different from the God of the New.

When did the Roman government qualify as "the house of David" or the "inhabitants of Jerusalem"?

"Our God reigns!"

16 posted on 04/01/2005 8:59:28 AM PST by Spirited (God, Bless America and save Israel)
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