Terri Schiavo has passed away

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[Askel5]

=== Oregon is the only state where this has been "Legalized" after $oro$ spent a lot of money.

Vermont is close behind at present.

I figure Schiavo's death will jumpstart the "right to die with dignity" movement in the same way Bush's funding of ESCR ramped up the competition among states interested in cashing in on a little Human Farming.

[It's me]

No.

I never said anything about Terri being crucified.

I merely said that there were others besides Christ who were crucified during the Roman times.

Re-read my post.

[John O]

Father God I pray that you will save and change Michael Shiavo, Judge Greer and every other judge involved in the murder of Terri. If they choose not to be saved I pray that you remove them from this earth before they hurt anyone else.

[SerpentDove]

Jeb's shot at the Presidency will be cremated along with her.

I'll bet that if she were condemned to be hanged in the public square (quicker and arguably more merciful), enough people would have been outraged that the President, Congress, and Jethro would have suddenly dicovered that there was something they could do.

[Pravious]

"Eventually the good guys will all be gone, if you get your wish."

Good guys don't starve people to death.

Good guys don't watch people starve to death and shrug their shoulders and say: "Gee, isn't this awful?"

If "our guys" can't stand up and have balls when it counts (and they obviously can't), I'll find another team to be on, thank you very much.

[GOP_Raider]

As Terri died, it is being reported, Michael denied the Schindlers access to Terri.

He was a jackass right to the very end.

[cyn]

wow. just a few days ago, Jim King chastised us for not recognizing and appreciating that he was just helping her go to a better place. Gee, he said, if we were really Christians, we would understand and be rejoicing.

Jim, we'll let you know how very much we appreciate your help in this.

[DTA]

God rest her soul

[NYCVirago]

How soon will the Schindler's get their book/movie deal?

How soon will Michael Schiavo and George Felos get *their* book/movie deal? Something tells me that won't offend you the way it would for the Schindlers.

[SerpentDove]

>>This is a dark moment in the history of Western Civilisation. It was not a fascist regime which killed the weak and disabled, but the processes of a modern, functioning democracy. God help us all.

Regards, Ivan<<

Did you hear the President's press conference? He handled it like a political hot potato, which it is. He came out with a statement of how we should err on the side of life and more mumbo jumbo (spent scant seconds on it) and then went into a song and dance, for the next several minutes, about how great a job he is doing on fixing Intelligence.

I don't think I have ever seen a more obvious attempt at changing the subject.

[rustbucket]

This has been a shameless example of judicial hubris. The courts really gave themselves a black eye.

There was reasonable doubt that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state based on the sworn statements of qualified professionals to the contrary.

There was reasonable doubt that what the husband claimed were Terri's desires about living in such a state given that sworn statements of others said otherwise. The husband 'remembered' Terri's statement many years after the fact.

There was reasonable doubt about whether the facts in the case had been properly assessed by the courts.

The Federal courts were given the opportunity by Congress to review the facts in the case. By ignoring that opportunity, the courts ignored the right to life of an individual. To their eternal shame.

[antceecee]

She was still subject to a court's judgment. I don't understand why an executive order could not vacate this judgment.

[Cincincinati Spiritus]

I said this on another thread and I'm saying it again. The Bushes et al did what they could legally. If the logic of the Bush bashers is to be followed to it's extreme, then we are all guilty because no one here or anywhere else took matters into their own hands to rescue Terry - no one was willing to face the consequences. We all had the same power as the Bushes - we could have formed an army and didn't....I am not suggesting that we should have done anything illegal - I am only pointing out that for all this talk no one did anything beyond what the Bushes and congress did.

I follow your logic and it seems reasonable. However, I think you miss a two important distinctions:

1) All can bear some guilt. I tend to follow the conclusion at the end "Brothers Karamozov": we are all guilty. That is not to say that all are equally guilty. I would never say that Jebb is as guilty as Greer or Felas or Mr. Shiavo who actively sought by extralegal means the death of Terri. Nevertheless, Jebb could have acted and did not. Even this, however, does not mean necessarily that he was guilty of Terri's death although I am somewhat hesitant to say that he bears no guilt because as reported Jebb did first say he had authority to save Terri's life and then retracted. Moreover, the proper understanding of his authority AND his duty were brought to his intention a few days ago. Therefore I conclude that he bears responsibility though perhaps he failed only because of incompetence (or I will even go so far as to say that I could be wrong -- the least likely [/arrogance]). He did not act to defend Terri's right to life when he could have. This brings me to your second error.

2) Yes, perhaps we all bear some responsibility, however remote it may a seem. Like a ripple in a lake our actions and inactions have an effect that we cannot calculate or imagine. However, I do not think it appropriate, to say nothing of practical, to stir an army to meet this occassion. Jebb had every lawful authority and the means at his hands. He would have acted within the law and indeed fulfilled his oath to uphold that law by acting. Failing to raise extralegal, revolutionary arms would not fit in the same category of inaction.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Not to mention, in pre-Roman times as well.

Just ask the generals who got on Alexander the Great's bad side.

[Cboldt]

the Bushes did not murder her.
The problem is that they did not save her.

I think that is well said, and is fair criticism. The legislature didn't save her either, nor did the people, via mass protests.

[tutstar]

Even Rush Limbaugh gets it as far as the issue being the killing of Terri. I think he's being too apologetic on some things though.

[Clorinox]

"Good guys don't starve people to death."


If your wife/husband asked you to make sure they were not kept alive in a vegetative state hooked up for machinery to live for years on end would you honor their wishes even if you appeared to be a "bad guy"?

[Rastus]

WPPFF?

Otherwise known as, "I'm glad these people have a thread, so I can know whom to ignore in the future."