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A National Sales Tax
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| March 31, 2005
| George Will
Posted on 03/31/2005 4:42:13 AM PST by CSM
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To: CSM
23% is actually a lot lower when compared to the actual amount one pays now. Consider all the hidden costs involved. Now one works from January to April just to pay the income tax.
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posted on
03/31/2005 5:33:41 AM PST
by
Mikey
(Freedom isn't free, but slavery is.)
To: CSM
The ducks are getting in line ...
But this isn't going to happen until next year. First the last of the major systemic 'reforms' has to take place. The Executive branch and the Legislative branch are well along in this process, and the third leg is underway - the Judicial reforms (and replacements) are beginning.
Social Security and IRS elimination and replacement with a NRST will have their respective debates rolled into one, after the government shutdown that will be caused by the Democrat party's final, suicidal attempt to stall off the 'Constitutional Option' that will be necessary before the Judicial branch reformation can get fully underway, with the Supreme Court replacement battle later this year.
Once this happens, the election cycle for '06 will be filled with commercials of happy Democrats portrayed supporting the continued existence of the IRS.
Can you just imagine running against a Republican that supports replacing both broken down systems with a structure that allows the gross and net on your paycheck to be the same and a private retirement system to allow you to finally plan for the future?
All the while being forever labeled as a staunch supporter of the IRbloodyS in print and on TV every 5 minutes, right up 'til the very moment your constituent go to the polls next November ...
... I can hardly wait.
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posted on
03/31/2005 5:50:06 AM PST
by
Scotsman
To: Mikey
I agree, of course your point only applies to the half of us directly carrying a portion of the burden. The other half doesn't see the burden they carry and they think they are getting the free ride. Keeping taxation hidden from the public is a great tool for increasing the scope of government.
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posted on
03/31/2005 5:51:26 AM PST
by
CSM
To: Nephi
A NRST allows the federal government to take money from state citizens and redistribute it back to the states in exchange for control. That's being done now. The difference: Now we tax the creation of wealth (income) making it very difficult to create personal wealth. Under a NRST we free up the creation of wealth and collect taxes when some of that wealth is spent (at the option of the individual).
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posted on
03/31/2005 5:54:39 AM PST
by
groanup
(http://fairtax.org)
To: CSM
What a horrible article. I never knew George Will was so gullible. It sounds like he was just taking dictation from Linder. Practically every paragraph has something wrong or, at least, extremely questionable.
To: CSM
This will not ever happen. Too regressive for one. Number two, I think all of us know that people aren't just going to pay the tax and be happy. This will create the most intricate black market that the world has ever seen. The IRS will have to be expanded to include its own army to collect the tax. We will have basement shops, no knock searches, wire taps, and spies all over the internet trying to see who is cheating the tax. The drug war has taught us what kind of fun that will bring.
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posted on
03/31/2005 6:24:35 AM PST
by
mysterio
To: mysterio
Excellent job of describing the current system.
This will happen, and it will go into effect in 2007, or '08 if it doesn't pass next year and becomes the election issue I expect it to.
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posted on
03/31/2005 6:32:32 AM PST
by
Scotsman
To: Your Nightmare
Care to amplify, maybe by giving an example or two, with your take on why George Will is gullible?
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posted on
03/31/2005 6:35:35 AM PST
by
Scotsman
To: groanup
Done properly, the NRST receipts will be collected by the several States (most already have a State Sales Tax in place), and politicians being what they are, I'm sure that the state pols will figure out how to keep most of the funds allocated to their states without ever letting them transfer out of their control.
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posted on
03/31/2005 6:38:18 AM PST
by
Scotsman
To: MojoWire
That said, I could support a national sales tax IF the legislation was coupled with either an elimination of the federal income tax or a reduction to a flat rate of around 5 percent.No no no! If an income tax remains at any level after the NRST is imposed, the day will come that we have a 30% income tax AND a 26% NRST. I support the NRST but ONLY on the condition that the income tax is revoked entirely, and the only mechanism the government has to increase tax burden is to increase the NRST rate.
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posted on
03/31/2005 6:55:16 AM PST
by
coloradan
(Hence, etc.)
To: coloradan
No no no! If an income tax remains at any level after the NRST is imposed, the day will come that we have a 30% income tax AND a 26% NRST. I support the NRST but ONLY on the condition that the income tax is revoked entirely, and the only mechanism the government has to increase tax burden is to increase the NRST rate.Yeah, you're right. Don't know what I was thinking.
I just want to be assured that some people (there's always some) don't get over by, for instance, buying every single item then need in say, Canada or the Bahamas, and then flying it to their estate in Florida, for example.
The govt. has to impose some minimal safeguards.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:07:27 AM PST
by
Edit35
To: RAY
The down side is that it probably puts lots of tax lawyers out of business! And thats a downside how?
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:08:43 AM PST
by
Phantom Lord
(Advantages are taken, not handed out)
To: Nephi
A NRST allows the federal government to take money from state citizens and redistribute it back to the states in exchange for control. And that doesn't happen with current federal sales taxes and the income tax?
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:09:18 AM PST
by
Phantom Lord
(Advantages are taken, not handed out)
To: MojoWire
That said, I could support a national sales tax IF the legislation was coupled with either an elimination of the federal income tax or a reduction to a flat rate of around 5 percent. Only the repeal of the 16th amendment would be acceptable with the adoption of the NRST.
Remember, the original income tax was a flat tax and at 1%. When the amendment was being debated several wanted to include language that would cap the rate at no more than 2%. It was not included because of fears that with such language the government would immediately raise the rate to the maximum allowed.
And look where we are now.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:11:23 AM PST
by
Phantom Lord
(Advantages are taken, not handed out)
To: CSM
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:11:59 AM PST
by
gakrak
("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
To: Your Nightmare
Practically every paragraph has something wrong or, at least, extremely questionable. Well, point them out and correct them.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:12:37 AM PST
by
Phantom Lord
(Advantages are taken, not handed out)
To: EQAndyBuzz
Well maybe they will have to get real jobs. Amen.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:13:01 AM PST
by
gakrak
("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
To: MojoWire
I just want to be assured that some people (there's always some) don't get over by, for instance, buying every single item then need in say, Canada or the Bahamas, and then flying it to their estate in Florida, for example. You already have to pay a tax when you do that if the value of the items exceed a certain amount.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:14:26 AM PST
by
Phantom Lord
(Advantages are taken, not handed out)
To: CSM
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:34:57 AM PST
by
kellynla
(U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
To: Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Zon; Bigun; ...
A Taxreform bump for you all.
If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.
John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25), offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a retail sales tax:
H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.
Refer for additional information:
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:36:34 AM PST
by
ancient_geezer
(Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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