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US tells India, drop dead
Rediff ^ | March 28, 2005 | Kanchan Gupta

Posted on 03/31/2005 2:37:47 AM PST by Gengis Khan

US tells India, drop dead

March 28, 2005

A friend, usually upbeat about India-US relations, sent me an angry mail over the weekend after President George Bush called up Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the evening of March 25 to inform him that the US had decided to supply F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in an interview to The Washington Post, "dismissed concerns" about the fallout of the American decision. The mail reads:

"lovely easter gift to india from the us.

moral: proliferate nukes, threaten us interests everywhere, be terror hub, and get rewarded for it. this has been north korea's experience, china's experience, saudi arabia's experience, and pakistan's experience.

suck up to the us, desperately crave its goodwill, allow its odious conversion machine to dictate terms to you, and get slapped on the face. this is india's experience.

simple solution for india: proliferate nuke and missile technology to anybody who wants it, especially taiwan and japan. this will immediately get american respect, much as pokhran-ii did."

The issues that arise from USA's decision to strengthen Pakistan's strike power, I feel, are much larger than merely seeking or getting "American respect." A nation whose civilisational history stretches back to 5,000 years, that is more than Americans can count without a Texas Instruments TI-83, and whose billion-plus population is not dependent on American wheat surplus of the PL 480 variety, can do without "American respect." Thank you very much, but America is welcome to stuff its "respect" in a hot dog.

The larger concerns are two-fold. First, Washington's mollycoddling of Pakistan, a rogue state that has not only proliferated cross-border jihadi terrorism but also spawned an underground bazaar where it has been hawking weapons of mass destruction to other rogue states. Second, the arms race that will follow America's dubious deal, with both India and Pakistan upping their defence expenditure at the cost of social welfare spending.

A third aspect that merits comment is the glib manner in which Rice, during the joint press conference she addressed along with Minister for External Affairs Natwar Singh during her brief stopover in New Delhi earlier this month, waved away any 'announcement' of an American deal on F-16s for Pakistan in the immediate future. Perhaps time and space are extremely elastic for those who wax eloquent on "absent morals" of others.

It is immaterial whether or not Pakistan has been assisting the US in pursuing its "war against terror" -- ask those who are involved in the war, including intelligence operatives, and they will tell you Islamabad has been leading Washington down the garden path -- what is material is that India must protect its own national interest. There is little evidence to show that Pakistan has given up the path of terror; nor is there reason to believe that Islamabad is genuinely interested in peace.

If you have any doubts, look at the daily acts of terror in Jammu and Kashmir; the insidious growth of ISI modules in the Northeast; and, the export of jehadi fundamentalism to India via Nepal. Nothing has changed in the last one year, never mind peaceniks who are making silly asses of themselves.

The absurd claim put out by unnamed sources in the US State Department that the F-16s form part of American assistance to Pakistan to wage war on terrorism is as laughable as the lollypop of advanced fighter jets (F-18s, no less) and nuclear power reactors that has been offered to India. "What the Americans have announced is the actual, physical delivery of F-16s to Pakistan and a bunch of nice promises for India," a foreign office official in New Delhi has said underscoring the absurdity.

No less absurd is the claim made by "senior administration officials" at a background briefing for "select journalists" that the military assistance to Pakistan's military ruler General Pervez Musharraf was aimed at ensuring "a fully democratic, economically promising Pakistan, that feels secure and is thus at peace with its neighbours."

The officials might as well have added that it is inconsequential the US's favourite tin pot dictator is to blame for the runaway basement bomb programmes in North Korea, Iran and Libya, among others. Boys will be boys, you see, naughty and mischievous; what's a component here and a blueprint there?

Those nations that have committed the mistake of trusting the US have come to grief, and how. It will be disastrous if India makes a similar mistake. If the UPA government believes in what it says, that India is a sovereign nation free to make its own choices, then it should not touch the American promise with a bargepole.

The Pakistanis can seek satisfaction in saving 5,000 jobs at Lockheed Martin Corp, Indians need not lose sleep over the plight of unemployed workers in Texas. In fact, it will be fun to watch Bush and Rice squirm, which they shall, if Manmohan Singh and his team look through their alleged offer and go ahead with selecting the next generation, multi-purpose jets from what has been offered by the French, the Swedes and the Russians.

If they choose to be charmed by the Americans, then India might as well say goodbye to its sovereign identity and become another client state of the US like Pakistan has become.

PS: At the launch of journalist Wilson John's book Pakistan's Nuclear Underworld: An Investigation, a devastating expose of how A Q Khan and his bosses in khaki went around hawking nuclear know-how for a fistful of dollars, in New Delhi last week, a former foreign secretary, mindful of the presence of two diplomats from the US mission in the audience, charged the Americans with "doubletalk and duplicity" on illicit nuclear proliferation by the Pakistanis.

Later, one of the American diplomats, fuming over being shown up so bluntly, accosted him and told him that he had been "offensive and insulting to my country" and "you could have been more nuanced without being inaccurate." Retorted the former diplomat: "We are a free country. We can say what we want… I couldn't care less for pretensions of the American empire."

Let's order a second hot dog!


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: USMMA_83
"patrol the afgan border" (snicker, snicker).

Kind of like paying the wolves to "look after" the sheep.
121 posted on 03/31/2005 7:58:43 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: do_u_have_any_news; sukhoi-30mki; RusIvan
us sells pakis f16 so thats india spends more for defence. us wants india to buy f18 as a heavy customer.

Ah, but the end is a bit different:

india buys sukhoi30 mki from Russia instead.
122 posted on 03/31/2005 7:59:58 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: cooper72
Where I live there is a reasonably large Pakistani population, and after 9/11 they were extremely happy. One Pakistani shop-owner was so happy he decided to put a portrait of Osama Bin Laden in his shop window.

I don't believe it. Where do you live? In Southall? Or Tooting?
123 posted on 03/31/2005 8:00:54 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: cooper72
Is there not hypocrisy here in giving the semi-failed nuclear state that is Pakistan better weaponry, yet whining that the EU is giving arms to China?

well, I'd call it stupidity. Those weapons are going to come back to bite us in the a**.
124 posted on 03/31/2005 8:01:42 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Cronos; do_u_have_any_news; RusIvan

The IAF has made it clear that they won't consider any variant of the SU-30 for the MRCA programme-too much dependence on one product is not wise.India will most probably go with the French Mirage-20005 Mk2 as it announced a plan to buy 12 used M-2005s from Qatar.


125 posted on 03/31/2005 8:03:43 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Puzzleman
the F-16s are almost a waste of money for Pakistan

That's daft. The F16s are paid for with US military aid.
126 posted on 03/31/2005 8:04:48 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Wiz
Did India fight against Taliban in Afghanistan or the Taliban in the hideouts in Pakistan

Yes. Who do you think supplied weapons, training and Support to the Northern Alliance after 96 and before 2001? India, Russia, Iran and Uzbekistan, that's who.
127 posted on 03/31/2005 8:07:02 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Gengis Khan

India is a constantly growing nation on the world stage.They are and can be a good friend of the US.Dumb move on our part.


128 posted on 03/31/2005 8:07:43 AM PST by hineybona
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To: Wiz
Pakistan had not done enough but at least done something that deserves F-16s. Why is it wrong to reward for the help? Do you trust countries that do not reward for help?

Give them money to help alleviate their poverty then. help them build better roads, dams etc. You think giving F-16s is a 'reward'???? SO, Pakistan was 'rewarding' North Korea by giving the NKs nuclear weapons?
129 posted on 03/31/2005 8:08:43 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Cronos

If you want to call me a liar then fine.


130 posted on 03/31/2005 8:12:47 AM PST by cooper72
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To: verity

Most tech outsourcing goes to Ireland, Canada etc.


131 posted on 03/31/2005 8:13:53 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Waterleak
I guess their skipping the whole national infrastructure thing what with indoor plumbing, diesel powered trains, a road system, and jumping straight to the high tech weapons and gadgets?

What world are you living in? NBC from the 50s???? India's got indoor plumbing and has had it since brit times. India's got the third largest rail network in the world after the US and Russia. India's road network is also in the top 10 in the world.

Lets see if I've got this right - we put men on the moon almost 40 years ago, and these jacka$$es are just now getting a squadron of supersonic fighters together?

Those jacka$$es have been flying supersonic fighters since the 50s, initially British made, then Russian.
132 posted on 03/31/2005 8:23:45 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: SQUID
Why are we picking a fight with India? Because that is what this is. A swift kick in the crotch.

You got it right. India can't and won't do anything now because they need us. But they will remember -- they're an old, OLD civilisation and they still remebmer what happened millenia ago, so they aren't going to forget this insult by 2050.
133 posted on 03/31/2005 8:25:25 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Awestruck

True -- yours was a logical post, but Whizzz's wasn't (tongue thwista)


134 posted on 03/31/2005 8:28:25 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: cooper72

Sorry, that didn't come across correctly. I wasn't calling you a liar, I was saying I couldn't believe the audacity of the Paki guy. What a creep -- he's living IN the West and he supports and act of terrorism against the West.


135 posted on 03/31/2005 8:34:42 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: All
As much as I disagree with the F-16 sale to Pakistan, this guy is being a drama queen.

India has to be able to take this in the stride if it wants to be a great power.

136 posted on 03/31/2005 9:18:00 AM PST by Saberwielder
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To: Saberwielder

Yep,I agree.Articles of folks like Kanchan Gupta,Rajeev Srinivasan(extreme rightwing) & Praful Bidwai(leftist loony) whip up a lot of emotion.


137 posted on 03/31/2005 9:21:31 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Saberwielder

You mean Kanchan Gupta?
She is a gal not a guy.


138 posted on 03/31/2005 9:28:36 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Wiz
"US had to give something to Pakistan in exchange of participation for the war against Terrorism in the region "

No we didn't. Pakistani intelligence set up and supported the Taliban. They have sold Nukes to Libya. Their courts sentence Christians to death for blaspheme and allow honor killings with no punishment for the perpetrators. Their government is corrupt and two faced even by middle Eastern standards.

We don't owe them anything. They owe us. India is the only rational ally we have in the area and we pay them back by slapping them in the face. The US administration is behaving dishonorably and there is no excuse.
139 posted on 03/31/2005 9:41:10 AM PST by monday
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To: Cronos

Oh I forgot, they can't produce their own fighters, but their so smart and advanced - yeah that's the ticket. Can I interest you in some land down in Florida?


140 posted on 03/31/2005 9:41:47 AM PST by Waterleak (I pity the fool)
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