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Truly, Madly, Guiltily (SHE LOVES HER HUSBAND MORE THAN HER CHILDREN)
The New York Times ^ | 3/27/05 | Ayelet Waldman

Posted on 03/30/2005 8:13:49 PM PST by paulat

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To: sauropod
I am the only woman in Mommy and Me who seems to be, well, getting any. This could fill me with smug well-being.

Apparently it has.

I could sit in the room and gloat over my wonderful marriage.

Instead, I will write about it and publish it in the very paper that all my Mommy and Me friends read. That's better than mere gloating any day. Ha!

I could think about how our sex life - always vital, even torrid - is more exciting and imaginative now than it was when we first met. I could check my watch to see if I have time to stop at Good Vibrations to see if they have any exciting new toys.

Sex toys, now that's imaginative. If you need battery-operated orgasm aids, and it seems like you've run through a few of them, well...

101 posted on 03/31/2005 5:59:12 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: paulat
"Instead of concentrating her ardor on her husband, she concentrates it on her babies. Where once her husband was the center of her passionate universe, there is now a new sun in whose orbit she revolves. Libido, as she once knew it, is gone, and in its place is all-consuming maternal desire."

This is what happened to me. My first marriage died because of it.

102 posted on 03/31/2005 6:02:36 AM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: sauropod

She is right that a good marriage is a good example for the children, but she's hardly the first to experience that blinding flash of the obvious.

I had two sets of grandparents that reached their 50th wedding anniversaries (one pair made it to their 60th). My mom and dad are going to celebrate their 50th in three years. I didn't need Ayelet to hand me the key to a lasting marriage. :D


103 posted on 03/31/2005 6:06:58 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: pbrown; Ulysses

Wrong attitude.

Ulysses is right.


104 posted on 03/31/2005 6:11:04 AM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: pbrown
"There is a very negative name for women who put their men over their children."

"beloved wife?"

soulmate?

mate for life?

105 posted on 03/31/2005 6:14:40 AM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: cajungirl

You don't know what you are talking about.


106 posted on 03/31/2005 6:20:50 AM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: paulat
The writer must have a short attention span - I adore my husband and would easily say I'm "madly in love" with him - but I am also deeply in love with my two children - no one gets slighted in the least in my household -
107 posted on 03/31/2005 6:24:49 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: hellinahandcart; paulat

I guess I don't read the article the same way a lot of critics of this woman on this thread do.

Let me tell ya about "Mommy and me" and a neighborhood female kid worshiping culture that does exactly what the author of this article says it does.

Bunch women complaining about their husbands and taking offense that he's a healthy male.

I've seen it.


108 posted on 03/31/2005 6:27:08 AM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: paulat

I have a book I read to my kids called "I Love You the Purplest". It's about a couple of boys who ask their mother which one she loves the best. Her answer is that she loves one child the purplest and the other child the bluest -- the point being that she loves each of them equally but differently.

I think the same thing applies to the love for my children vs. the love for my husband. Both are infinitely precious to me, but in completely different ways. I think that is as it should be.


109 posted on 03/31/2005 6:37:47 AM PST by ccmovrwc
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To: sauropod; cajungirl
SHE LOVES HER HUSBAND MORE THAN HER CHILDREN

I don't know anything about the author or her motivations in writing this piece - she may be just as cajungirl has described her. But as a general rule, any woman who doesn't put her husband ahead of her children (and vice versa) is 99% guaranteed to end up divorced and bitter at forty.

Florence King wrote a great column in National Review about ten years ago on this subject of "child worship" and how it has taken over in America and poisoned many formerly loving relationships. She had the dialogue of the offenders down pat too: "I'd do anything for those kids, you hear me? Anything!" The kids are going to move away and do all sorts of things you don't approve of - if you are too invested in them, that will crush you. My own mother was like this, and never recovered psychologically when my brother moved to England to attend graduate school, at the age of 26.

Trying to smother and live every second of their childrens' lives for them (which seems to be the norm in Soccer Mom-land these days) leads to intense resentment - happy parents who stay a little more interested in building their own lives together than they are in orchestrating their childrens' every move will produce well-adjusted adults in the long run. I think a hundred years ago this principle was common knowledge, but in this as in so many other social norms America has gotten way off track.

110 posted on 03/31/2005 6:44:07 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: sauropod
Let me tell ya about "Mommy and me" and a neighborhood female kid worshiping culture that does exactly what the author of this article says it does. Bunch women complaining about their husbands and taking offense that he's a healthy male. I've seen it.

I've seen it too, though admittedly from a childless perspective.

I think most people "put their children first", especially women with very young children (that's instinct), but then there's a type who becomes a martyr to her children even when it isn't necessary.

Freezing out the husband makes it possible to tell themselves "I gave up EVERYTHING for my children" and that strokes their ego.

Same way gloating about her sex life and her great husband strokes the author's ego. Sorry, she does come off as a know-it-all even if I agree with her for the most part.

And, remembering that pride goeth before a fall, I'd be wary about making my personal bliss so damned public. They could be in bed five times a day and he could STILL leave her for another woman; wonder what she'd write about then?

You have to read the spoof of this, in the link in #89; it's a hoot.

111 posted on 03/31/2005 6:45:55 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Mr. Jeeves; sauropod
Florence King wrote a great column in National Review about ten years ago on this subject of "child worship" and how it has taken over in America and poisoned many formerly loving relationships. She had the dialogue of the offenders down pat too: "I'd do anything for those kids, you hear me? Anything!"

That's what I was trying to say, but she said it better. Guess that's why Florence King gets paid for her writing, and I don't. :D

112 posted on 03/31/2005 6:48:50 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: cajungirl
Girls, This is addressed to you....

Thank you for the informational post, but I am a man. ;^)

113 posted on 03/31/2005 7:00:18 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: paulat
SHE LOVES HER HUSBAND MORE THAN HER CHILDREN

I think this is an oversimplification of "love". Her attachment to him is the very best thing for them. All children will bask in the warmth of their parent's mutual true love. No child ever suffers for it. I think this woman has the proper states of affection for her family. She's a very very good mother and wife.

114 posted on 03/31/2005 7:06:35 AM PST by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Dead on.


115 posted on 03/31/2005 9:08:03 AM PST by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: MinuteGal
Excellent post: I think your thoughts are right on target. The sexo-mater authoress of this thread's origins is obviously mostly in love with herself. That's why she writes as she does.
116 posted on 03/31/2005 11:56:35 AM PST by Alia
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To: Alia

I agree...she is SO MUCH better than the rest of us....


117 posted on 03/31/2005 12:19:56 PM PST by paulat
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To: RichInOC

I don't know about that.

It's pretty clear to me however from reading this article that she is currently missing her 12 step meetings.


118 posted on 03/31/2005 1:44:35 PM PST by Recall
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To: Ulysses

Ulysses, I am definitely with you. My wife and I understand that our boys get a great sense of stability and confidence from seeing that my wife and I are first in each others eyes, as God is first even before us.


119 posted on 04/01/2005 6:14:22 AM PST by QuiMundus (Learn, Act, Educate, Repeat - http://www.smithism.com)
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To: Ulysses

I agree. It's not that you love your spouse "more" so much as "differently" as I see it. If a woman fails her husband while raising kids, that INCREASES the chance for marital strife and divorce later. A healthy relationship (that includes but is not limited to a satisying sex life) is more beneficial to the kids than ignoring Dad while taking care of them.

Disclaimer: Currently I'm unmarried and childless.


120 posted on 08/24/2005 3:41:56 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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